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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of the food July 8 1947 the Army Air

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Forces has announced that a flying death

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- found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged change the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside it is working

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this is fade to black with your host

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network and kgr a the global radio

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you listen intubated

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today's Tuesday March 5th 2019 64 days

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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is crack and everybody how you doing man

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oh man oh man tonight I've got some

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kick it off with tonight we have very

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special guests Mitch Horowitz is here

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live from New York City we're gonna talk

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about his two books and other things as

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well but his two books that cult America

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reshaped Modern Life and the miracle

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Club how thoughts become reality

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I'm gonna discuss some of this in just a

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bit stay with me tomorrow night is our

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sole tech special events featuring the

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premiere of our documentary it is called

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boarding benevolence it was shot last

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year in August up at ESET e ranch that

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premieres tomorrow night cannot wait for

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it okay now Thursday is another Fator

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night with open lines all night long you

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calm let's get to the breaking news I've

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got a lot to talk about tonight it's

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gonna be a busy show so let me get all

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of this stuff in Volvo synonymous with

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automobile safety worldwide

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cars to 112 miles per hour to further

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also today check this out SpaceX CEO

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should be first that's right before his

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company heads to Mars I'm quoting from

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Elon here quote yeah yeah you need to

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get there that's the big deal

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creating a base on the moon will

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probably have a base on the moon before

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going to Mars and quote an Elon recently

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Mechanics that's right next up the

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official the program authorized under

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the USA Freedom Act requires

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reauthorization at the end of the year

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produced by lawfare a national security

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what they did now do we trust the NSA

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with this have they stopped or that is a

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it's got to get reales by trump by the

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crackin happy birthday to today former

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chili pepper and guitar virtuoso John

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Frusciante today is 48 years old case

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you didn't know this he was in the

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peppers for 20 years he was in the

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pepper since 1988 all the way to 2007

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I'll never forget the first time I saw

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him play I was like that dude that dudes

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the real deal right there happy birthday

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John our dead guys birthday today is

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Andy Gibb 1958 to 1988 died at the age

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of 30 of course brother of Barry Robin

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and Maurice who had some pretty big hits

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of his own I was cranking him today here

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in the bunker I just want to be your

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everything and I know Rita's down the

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hall going on what is Jimmy listening to

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but I did love is thicker than water

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that's what I'm talking about Andy Gibb

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on March 10th 1988 and he felt a pain in

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his chest goes to the hospital and

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Andy's doctor told him that morning that

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more tests were needed to determine the

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cause of his chest pains later that day

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he just slumped over went unconscious

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and died that's right he died as the

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result of mile carditis

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an inflammation of the heart muscle

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caused by a recent viral infection

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absolutely incredible happy birthday

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Andy I hope you're up there listening

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man your stuff was incredible absolutely

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incredible on this day in history 1969

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Jim Morrison is charged with lewd

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simulated oral copulation on guitarist

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Robby Krieger during the same show

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that's right and also on this day in

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1982 I need a moment of silence Jim

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Belushi John Belushi Jim

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John Belushi dies of an overdose at the

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Chateau Marmont in los angeles

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california fader fact uranus has 27

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moons all of these moons are named after

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the characters from the worst of William

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Shakespeare and Alexander Pope and that

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is your fader enact the fate of fact

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tonight Mitch Horowitz is here we're

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talking going to talk about his two

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books and talk a little bit about soul

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tech two but it's two bucks a cult

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America one simple idea how positive

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thinking reshaped a modern life and the

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miracle Club how you ready how thoughts

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become reality which is what I want to

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talk about right now and as I hit this

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River moon coffee and let me tell you

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something when you hear what I have to

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say right now

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you'll understand my love for River moon

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coffee and everything that one eat in

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chef get done for us and for all of you

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every single day I need this coffee I

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need it

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addicted because can you change your own

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reality the answer is simple of course

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you can of course you can and it's

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easier than you think when when you hear

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others talk about this especially for

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the first time most think that it's like

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magic or that it's fake that one day you

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light some candles and enchant a few

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lines from from some secret book and

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then BAM the next day you wake up and

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everything has changed right and no

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sadly it doesn't work this way

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usually well I'm sure it's happened to

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someone in the past because anything is

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possible right okay I'm hip to that but

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changing your reality is work it's real

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work and 11 years ago I decided to

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change mine I'm gonna say this be

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careful what you wish for okay seriously

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today today I was at the doctor this

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morning for a chronic ear issue that

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hasn't gone away for over seven months

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and it's nearly driven me insane okay

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and it's in the inner ear it's not the

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outer ear it's in the inner ear you

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can't get to it you can't do anything

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and it is constantly clogged and I can

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hear fluid moving around in my head all

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day all night it has not stopped we've

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been trying to fix it I don't talk about

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it nobody knows about this right last

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week I had an allergic reaction to

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antibiotics that I was taken for this

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ear thing and my head blew up into a

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pumpkin that's right I was pumpkin head

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and all this was going on while I'm

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fighting this stupid ear thing and I'm

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telling you it's merely driven me insane

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over the last six or seven months

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dealing with this has caused my nights

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to be nearly void of sleep right through

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all of it I work and I work a lot

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everything that I do out there is is for

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the world to see everybody knows my

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schedule everybody knows what I am doing

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everybody knows that there are no real

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days off you either see me here or hear

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me here see me here I'm over at coast

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I'm over taping for History Channel I'm

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over at a conference somewhere

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I'm always every single day working

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working through this insanity of these

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these issues and I'm not complaining

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right

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but there are no days off and they are

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rare when I get them everything that was

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sort of normal you know weekends off and

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holidays you know a cycle that made

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sense those are totally gone it's been

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gone for 11 years now I wanted to change

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my reality and I did you can do it it

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works but what it has turned into is

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nearly Trent ten straight years of

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madness it's like you got to be careful

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I'm not complaining I asked for it I

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realized that there are so many out

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there who would do anything to be in the

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position that Rita and I are in right

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now I understand that we've got an

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amazing audience right we've got a great

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Network we've got an amazing show that's

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so much fun to do every single day and

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much more important we've earned your

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respect and all of this comes from hard

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work we have never stopped anyone out

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there who has put in the effort that it

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takes to pull off something like this

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will tell you that they are tired they

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are exhausted and they are bordering on

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crazy but they wouldn't change a thing

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and we won't either so when you hear me

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say these words tonight or you see me on

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stage somewhere smiling and happy

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remember this

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I'm here for you it's all of you that

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give me the strength to fight through

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the lack of sleep I'm deaf in one ear

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barely keeping my wits about me and what

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drives me is it and takes my mind off

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the madness of this world of my head and

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what's going on in my health is

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preparing for this show getting ready

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for you the audience and then going

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through three hours of the show I'm able

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to not think about the madness of the

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world I'm just hanging out with you I my

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ear I don't

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right now the craziness of my this thing

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that's been going on for over a half a

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year I'm not even thinking about it

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saying something like this this personal

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may seem strange because I never talk

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about this stuff but I wanted to change

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my reality and this reality where I am

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today is that I can speak about this to

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all of you because of this show and and

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our desire to change the world

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that Rita and I were in so many years

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ago you know this morning this morning I

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was at a doctor's office trying to

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desperately find the magic cure for

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something that's been going on which

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seems like now forever so I could get

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back to the studio and prepare for the

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show tonight and act like nothing is

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going on right I come on the show fade

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to black

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this spoke radio right right you have no

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idea what I went through today to get

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here what I went through last night

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after the show just trying to get to

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sleep fighting what's going on in my

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head desperately trying to get through

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the night so I can get up in the morning

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get to the doctor's office get another

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all the way through to this show so

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remember things are never what they seem

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and tomorrow is always a brand new day I

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will change this reality this crazy

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thing that has been going on with me

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somehow seriously and I know that part

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of what is going on with me is the fact

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that we worked so hard to get where we

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are at okay Reed and I ran ourselves

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into the ground you know and through all

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of all of this just trying to stay in

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our lane you know trying to put on a

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great show and have fun and discover and

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and knowledge and all these amazing

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guests in all of this the torture that

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has been brought down on on Rita from

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those out there that want to complain

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about this show or talk about her or

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talk about me and and we've got this and

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we've got that you know what I am

447
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dealing with so much to get the show on

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the air every single day and and what

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effort goes into it it's the reality

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that I chose you know and fighting those

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forces out there that don't know us or

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don't do anything else meanwhile we're

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dealing with everything else Rita's got

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to deal with my insanity she's got to

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put up with me every single date she

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looks at me she knows I'm not healthy

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and she knows yesterday before the show

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yesterday yesterday morning canceled the

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show

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canceled the week you can't do this

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every single night just cancel

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everything Jimmy you can't continue no

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Rita we have the audience we have

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responsibilities to listen and and I'm

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able to not think about what's going on

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please just you know and and she's

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watching me suffer through all of this

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meanwhile we're getting stupid attacks

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from two absolute retards out there that

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want to say this about me or this about

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my wife and meanwhile I've had lack of

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sleep and everything else and I just

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want to lash out but I have to be

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professional I got to be cool we are we

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play the game at a different level from

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where we are at we're not going to stoop

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down to those levels but I want to

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protect what is mine you know and and

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going through all of this it's just

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about getting on the air each night and

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and having fun and just forgetting about

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everything else and that is what you get

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when you change your reality we wanted

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this we asked for it and I am not

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complaining but I just want you to know

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what I went through today what I went

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through last night what I went through

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the night before every single night for

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the last seven months no sleep nothing

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insanity I'll take you back every

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conference that I have done

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this year out there in public I had an

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ear infection I'm going back to my room

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every hour and dealing with this and

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going back out and smiling and sitting

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down and hanging out with all of you you

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guys don't know what's going on you guys

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don't have any idea what I went through

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at Sol Tech and I had to fly on a plane

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and this thing it was insane it was

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insane but nobody's soul tech knew you

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know who knew nurse Nancy and Stacy and

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and Rita nurse Nancy and Stacy taking me

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back to my RV I'm laying down and the

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medical procedures that they were doing

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on me in there would freak you out just

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so I could get up go out and get it done

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and smile and hang out and you gave me

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the energy to do that and that's what

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that's what we go through I asked for it

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I asked for this reality so that's it

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okay I love all of you I have the energy

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at the beginning of this show tonight I

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want to make this clear at the beginning

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of the show tonight you didn't know what

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I was gonna talk about right now I just

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came off with a nice fade to black and

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let's do this and we got Mitch Horowitz

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on tomorrow night is soul tech rah rah

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rah rah team the reality is a little bit

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different and you guys give me the

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energy to fight through it all so I'm

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here to thank you thank you I mean you

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guys have carried me carried me on your

525
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back for the last seven months and I

526
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hope that with all of your energy

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everything that you guys can manifest

528
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let's just focus on the stupid ear of

529
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mine it's my left ear inside my head by

530
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the way Oh what's on the outside throw

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something on it and let it go what it's

532
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not you know let's get rid of this thing

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let's change this reality that I'm in

534
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and hopefully maybe tomorrow for the

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first time in in over a half a year I'll

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go I feel better I feel better

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all right so tonight it's Mitch bleep

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and Horowitz is here to talk about

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changing your reality

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you can do it I did it don't you want to

541
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be me yeah you do you do and you can

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whatever it is around you that you want

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to change you can do it and Mitch

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Horowitz is here to talk about it I'm

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gonna get out of here and take a quick

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break this is fade to black

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our guests Mitch Horowitz he's a writer

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in residence at the New York Public

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Library lecturer in residence at the

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University of philosophical research

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right here in Los Angeles and the Penn

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award-winning author of books including

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a cult America one simple idea how

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positive thinking reshaped Modern Life

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and the miracle Club how thoughts become

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reality I have both books I have read

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them I recommend them he has written on

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everything from the war on witches to

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the secret life of Ronald Reagan for the

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New York Times The Wall Street Journal

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the Washington Post salon time comm and

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Politico The Washington Post says Mitch

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and I'm quoting treats esoteric ideas

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and movements with an even-handed

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intellectual studious nough status too

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often lost in today's raised voice

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discussions which has discussed

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alternative spirituality on CBS Sunday

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morning Dateline NBC NPR's all things

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considered CNN and throughout all of the

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national media including right here on

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fade to black the Chinese government has

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censored his work and that says it all

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right there Mitch welcome back my friend

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how are you thank you it's always good

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to hear your voice now look at Mitch

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before we get started

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you're on with us tonight tomorrow you

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go from New York to LA you're in Los

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Angeles tomorrow night what are you

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doing here in a town in fact I'm leaving

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in about two hours Los Angeles

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I'm going to be speaking Thursday

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through Saturday at manly pee halls

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Mystery School in the Griffith Park

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neighborhood we're kicking it off with a

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lecture on Thursday night called

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unvanquished

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angels about America's not so forgotten

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the cloaks heroes and continuing with

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another lecture on Friday night about

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hermetic spirituality Saturday I'm

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giving a workshop in the afternoon

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called the miracle Club which deals with

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mind power techniques and also Friday

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afternoon I'm going to be reading tarot

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cards for people talking about the

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history of Tarot and other great things

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in Manly Hawk library if you go to you

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PRS edu you PRS dot edu you can check

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out the schedule buy tickets and it's

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just going to be wonderful it's a

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gathering of great friends with a lot of

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esoteric exploration like I can't wait

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and could you do me a favor mints I hate

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to say this live on the air but can I

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get you to speak closer to your phone or

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take or take me off of speaker one or

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the other never speak for you Jimmy oh

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now there you are there you are there

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you are okay all right all right this is

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this is what I want to discuss tonight I

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don't know if you heard my opening rant

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earlier but about changing your reality

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I did I did just that and 11 years ago

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Rita and I were at a point in our lives

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where we were like okay you know what

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this ain't working you know and and

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let's let's do what we want to do I mean

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epic changes you know going from a

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things that we were doing and we're

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raising our kids and it just took a

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frustrated or they're this of you know

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it's up to you you can't blame the world

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right right right we make a good go

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maybe the world but absolutely I'm very

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touched to hear that story and you know

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the thing is when you decide to make a

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in your life it can also invite chaos

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into your life you have to be prepared

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for that as well and I think you know

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you've alluded to that you know success

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comes with sleepless nights it comes

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with anxiety and I have a close friend

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who's taught meditation just a very

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well-known television host and he said

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they don't sleep a wink all night they

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sleep two hours at a time and yet you

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also receive a lot as well you you have

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to accept there's going to be chaos

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entering your life any time you make a

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radical break with the past and it it

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was something that it's it's not like

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Mitch where you can go take a class

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somewhere to prepare you for this you

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know that part doesn't exist and you you

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learn on the fly nobody wants to share

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their secret information

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you know how they manage to get through

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it and it's it's a tough thing but it's

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what we all want we all want to find our

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bliss we all want that that happiness

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that thing that just you know makes us

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get up in the morning we all want that

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but you you're absolutely right you need

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to be careful and you need to be

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prepared because with all of that and it

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will happen if you you want to manifest

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it you want to make it happen

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it'll happen but what comes with that is

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is an immense amount of chaos and

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anxiety and you have to prepare for it

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yes I think one of the ways of dealing

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with the chaos and anxiety that

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accompanies success that accompanies

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assimilating your goals into your life

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and this is very tricky because there's

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going to sound simple but if you peel

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don't complain about it it's very

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important not to get caught up in kind

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of petty complaints that can accompany

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success because what you're really doing

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you know in that situation is kind of

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reverting back to a mindset of want now

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I was joking earlier that I'm leaving

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for LA in about two hours and that's

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just about true I mean right now here in

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New York City is it's 10:30

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at night I'm gonna be with you and your

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listeners until 12:30 I'm gonna get up

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at 4:00 a.m. to make a plane if I could

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even put in those terms I mean I'm gonna

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sort of take a nap and you know earlier

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today I found myself just getting on the

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brink of saying oh man I'm only gonna

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sleep two or three hours or whatever oh

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forget it I'm thrilled I'm delighted I'm

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delighted to be here with you and your

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813
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:17,850
we tell ourselves privately and things

814
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:20,670
that we say casually to our friends and

815
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:22,530
loved ones have more power than we would

816
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:25,950
ever estimate and so one piece of advice

817
00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:27,930
which I would share and I don't feel the

818
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:29,640
need to be secretive at all about it is

819
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:32,520
when you get what you want and it's so

820
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:34,140
important and we'll talk more about that

821
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:36,450
don't fall into petty complaining

822
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:39,900
because that will set you back words in

823
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,020
terms of mood and mindset and it will

824
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:44,880
take your it will take your attention

825
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:47,880
away from where you've traveled on the

826
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:51,210
road and dilute your ability to enjoy

827
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:52,920
what you're actually experiencing and

828
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:54,510
you practice what you preach

829
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,330
I want everybody to know when I when I

830
00:41:03,110 --> 00:41:00,540
reached out to Mitch and he looks at his

831
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:03,120
schedule and you know I said well

832
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:04,830
Tuesday night he said what time and I

833
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:06,690
said you know okay oh yeah you were like

834
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:09,900
we're on you know done yeah you're not

835
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:12,330
you're not you know anybody else would

836
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:14,040
come in I can't get up I got to work I

837
00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:15,750
got it I gotta get on the plane I gotta

838
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:17,190
go you know I don't have time for this

839
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:21,030
no no no no you are practicing what you

840
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,330
preach literally you could be doing

841
00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:26,940
anything right now but speaking to this

842
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:30,120
audience you should be in bed you should

843
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:33,930
be packing earlier oh by the way can I

844
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:35,370
tell everybody what you were doing

845
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:41,220
earlier when we sound Mitch is shaving

846
00:41:45,799 --> 00:41:43,860
he's got shaving cream on and now he

847
00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:45,809
could have told me at that point

848
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:47,819
I'll call you back no soundcheck you

849
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,359
know I'm shaving know we sound checked

850
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:53,880
while you were shaving and we got it

851
00:41:57,739 --> 00:41:56,579
done and and here we are but yeah

852
00:42:01,279 --> 00:41:57,749
absolutely

853
00:42:01,819 --> 00:42:01,289
you have to you have to work nothing is

854
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:01,829
free

855
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:08,729
often tell people if you can think that

856
00:42:14,749 --> 00:42:11,609
your earliest earliest memories as a kid

857
00:42:16,969 --> 00:42:14,759
I mean I mean really young age three age

858
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:16,979
four when your first memories started to

859
00:42:24,049 --> 00:42:20,400
crystallize and you may discover an

860
00:42:26,809 --> 00:42:24,059
uncanny congruence between what you

861
00:42:29,509 --> 00:42:26,819
wanted when you were at that precious

862
00:42:31,819 --> 00:42:29,519
young age and what you have now as an

863
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,829
adult the Philosopher's Garretson made

864
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:33,420
the observation you know we often hear

865
00:42:37,819 --> 00:42:36,329
that that that old saying careful what

866
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:37,829
you wish for you just might get it

867
00:42:44,209 --> 00:42:40,049
that actually has its earliest roots in

868
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,219
Goethe who said what you wish for when

869
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:47,119
you're young will come upon you in waves

870
00:42:52,549 --> 00:42:50,249
when you're old so be careful be careful

871
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:52,559
and a lot of people want to argue with

872
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:54,119
that statement because they think have

873
00:42:59,179 --> 00:42:56,099
been cells well gee I'm not living out

874
00:43:01,249 --> 00:42:59,189
my dreams and I would say take a yellow

875
00:43:04,009 --> 00:43:01,259
life you know take a yellow life take a

876
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:04,019
careful look a second look at what

877
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,140
Garrett is said and let your mind drift

878
00:43:12,769 --> 00:43:10,079
back to what you really wanted at the

879
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:12,779
time of your earliest memories h3 h4

880
00:43:18,769 --> 00:43:15,529
just when we begin to crystallize

881
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:18,779
conscious long-term memories take a look

882
00:43:23,029 --> 00:43:20,609
you may be very surprised at what you

883
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:23,039
discover now one thing I don't mind

884
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:25,140
sharing with people it's a very intimate

885
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:26,729
memory but I feel like I have to be

886
00:43:30,979 --> 00:43:27,900
straightforward with you and your

887
00:43:33,049 --> 00:43:30,989
listeners when I was a little kid and we

888
00:43:34,999 --> 00:43:33,059
would play games you know cowboys and

889
00:43:36,919 --> 00:43:35,009
Indians and war games things like that

890
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,929
I was playing all the same games that

891
00:43:41,689 --> 00:43:38,579
everybody else was playing but I was

892
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:41,699
imagining myself doing it on camera you

893
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:45,119
know I wanted to be John Wayne or

894
00:43:47,959 --> 00:43:45,900
whoever it was

895
00:43:49,759 --> 00:43:47,969
you know kind of acting out the part on

896
00:43:51,439 --> 00:43:49,769
camera and I would imagine myself

897
00:43:54,289 --> 00:43:51,449
playing these games in front of a camera

898
00:43:59,239 --> 00:43:54,299
and so I consider myself usually lucky

899
00:43:59,720 --> 00:43:59,249
now in midlife to be involved in media

900
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,730
and rain

901
00:44:04,099 --> 00:44:01,680
on television so when you call me and

902
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:04,109
say hey can you do the show you know

903
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:05,460
tomorrow night at such-and-such a time

904
00:44:11,570 --> 00:44:08,460
it's like the answer is just yes not

905
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:11,580
maybe but yes because it's it's really

906
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:15,090
the the the the spot the the the spot of

907
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:18,119
harmonious living that I had thought of

908
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:20,850
effortlessly at age 34 and I considered

909
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,310
it the blessing of my life that that has

910
00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:25,680
come upon me in ways just like character

911
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:29,340
said in midlife and I better never

912
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:32,700
complain about it for a moment when we

913
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:37,290
take a look at America today the United

914
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:39,990
States we can certainly discuss the

915
00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:42,390
world in the same terms but when we look

916
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:46,320
at America today and the title of the

917
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:48,119
book where you say you know how positive

918
00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:50,790
thinking reshaped modern life I would

919
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:53,580
say that in a general sense that that is

920
00:45:00,320 --> 00:44:56,520
true and then on the flip side of that

921
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:00,330
we really wanted technology we wanted

922
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:03,810
access we wanted eight zillion channels

923
00:45:11,470 --> 00:45:07,890
of access to entertainment in news 24/7

924
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:11,480
we wanted all of these things which also

925
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,690
has started to reshape the way we are

926
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:17,760
today in the way that we think and it's

927
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:21,000
again it's kind of going back be careful

928
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:23,490
what you wish for right that's true

929
00:45:30,859 --> 00:45:28,170
you know has altered human nature but it

930
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:30,869
has certainly its disinhibited us it's

931
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,690
brought out aspects of human nature that

932
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:36,000
are in sharper focus than ever before

933
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:39,300
and frankly we are destroying ourselves

934
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:42,680
by the tone that exists that pervades

935
00:45:48,340 --> 00:45:45,270
digital culture the tone of attack the

936
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,350
tone of sarcasm the tone of cynicism and

937
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:51,359
it's breaking us down you know it is

938
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,960
breaking us down and I often tell people

939
00:46:00,260 --> 00:45:56,880
you know if you think this is just a

940
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:00,270
broader macro social problem you're

941
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:02,310
you're you're not only mistaken but

942
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:03,900
you're endangering your own happiness

943
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:06,510
when people come to me and they feel

944
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,920
unhappy depressed anxious they can't

945
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:13,020
sleep they're hitting the bottle too

946
00:46:15,350 --> 00:46:13,560
much

947
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:15,360
they're relying on drugs or whatever it

948
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:18,180
is one of the things I tell them is if

949
00:46:21,830 --> 00:46:19,410
you want to do something to help

950
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:21,840
yourself in the next 24 hours and I need

951
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:30,210
it stop gossiping stop gossip right and

952
00:46:36,830 --> 00:46:33,000
we you know and we you know what Mitch

953
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,840
we all know that for some reason nobody

954
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:38,880
wants to step up to the plate and and

955
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:41,300
and start to do something about it

956
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:44,040
that's right that's right and you know

957
00:46:48,020 --> 00:46:46,170
people want magic that's the closest

958
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:48,030
thing you can get to magic you can enact

959
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:50,850
it right away you will feel nobler you

960
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,010
will be more respected you will stand

961
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:55,680
more erect you will be a more attractive

962
00:46:59,810 --> 00:46:58,500
person there's there's many reasons for

963
00:47:01,850 --> 00:46:59,820
that and I go through some of them in

964
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:01,860
the Miracle Club and other books but the

965
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:04,440
fact is you degrade yourself through

966
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,210
gossip in ways that you don't even begin

967
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,920
to imagine right there's an auto

968
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:10,560
suggestive quality to gossip where what

969
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:12,180
you talk about acts on your own

970
00:47:16,610 --> 00:47:14,700
character there is an energy depletion

971
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:16,620
if you've ever sat through a meal with

972
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:18,570
somebody and you've just sat through

973
00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:20,280
that whole meal gossiping and trading

974
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:22,230
stories about other people you will feel

975
00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:24,990
an unmistakable drop in your energies if

976
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:26,820
you're just coming off of a of a sugar

977
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:28,760
high there's something so psychically

978
00:47:33,490 --> 00:47:31,170
unhealthy about gossip and the beautiful

979
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:33,500
thing is if you can flick the off switch

980
00:47:39,550 --> 00:47:36,960
you will feel better you will get

981
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:39,560
rewards you know it's not only a matter

982
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Tinley the moral thing to do it's

983
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:43,170
certainly the ethical thing to do but if

984
00:47:47,420 --> 00:47:45,480
you want to be selfish about it because

985
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,430
you will receive rewards you're doing

986
00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:50,400
unto yourself by ceasing that so you

987
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,080
know this language is a smog that

988
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:55,280
poisons us and if you can unplug from it

989
00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:57,690
it's not just a matter of doing the good

990
00:48:01,700 --> 00:47:59,940
deed or eating your vegetables you will

991
00:48:05,770 --> 00:48:01,710
feel like a nobler person and you will

992
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:05,780
feel it in 24 hours I used to I realized

993
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:08,460
many many many many years ago decades

994
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:12,660
ago that if I if somebody was in my

995
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:14,930
presence and would start to gossip

996
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:18,780
pretty much that's the last conversation

997
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,780
I would have with that person turned off

998
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:23,760
I want to hang out with somebody that

999
00:48:28,539 --> 00:48:26,150
says something like man

1000
00:48:31,059 --> 00:48:28,549
I read this book yesterday and it was

1001
00:48:34,180 --> 00:48:31,069
about bla bla bla bla bla that's a

1002
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:34,190
conversation right that you know what I

1003
00:48:43,779 --> 00:48:39,470
mean yeah and and I am that way when it

1004
00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:43,789
comes to social media and and and what

1005
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:48,349
is going on today this this the the the

1006
00:48:52,539 --> 00:48:50,690
gossiping that is there I look at who is

1007
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:52,549
writing those words and I can pretty

1008
00:48:57,549 --> 00:48:55,249
much assess that that is somebody that

1009
00:48:59,559 --> 00:48:57,559
doesn't like themselves and they've got

1010
00:49:02,079 --> 00:48:59,569
something that burnt on the inside of

1011
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:02,089
them that you know it's dark and they

1012
00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:05,390
need to get out of that they think that

1013
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:08,900
gossiping is making them attractive that

1014
00:49:13,779 --> 00:49:11,480
is making them important and and it's

1015
00:49:17,019 --> 00:49:13,789
simply the exact opposite is what

1016
00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:17,029
happens exactly I think people are

1017
00:49:21,009 --> 00:49:18,680
afraid to unplug from gossip because

1018
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:21,019
they think they'll be boring they new

1019
00:49:25,299 --> 00:49:23,089
gossip is the kind of currency and they

1020
00:49:28,809 --> 00:49:25,309
feel that when they don't have dirt to

1021
00:49:30,789 --> 00:49:28,819
share or you know insider dope to share

1022
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:30,799
about other people they're going to be

1023
00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:33,140
boring it's not true it's a false

1024
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:35,480
assumption not only will you be more

1025
00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:37,130
interesting and attractive you'll come

1026
00:49:40,839 --> 00:49:39,319
into better nobler company which will

1027
00:49:43,509 --> 00:49:40,849
allow you to accomplish more of the

1028
00:49:46,809 --> 00:49:43,519
things you want in life and the fact is

1029
00:49:48,579 --> 00:49:46,819
you know a lot of gossip is based on

1030
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:48,589
this false assumption that we can deal

1031
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:50,450
with our own fear we can deal with our

1032
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:53,450
own anger by diluting it that if we

1033
00:49:59,529 --> 00:49:57,440
share it or if we share bad news or

1034
00:50:02,680 --> 00:49:59,539
misfortune that's being experienced by

1035
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:02,690
other people that somehow dilutes the

1036
00:50:06,729 --> 00:50:04,609
anxiety and the problems of the pain

1037
00:50:09,099 --> 00:50:06,739
that we're experiencing that's an

1038
00:50:12,489 --> 00:50:09,109
illusion that doesn't work that dilution

1039
00:50:15,009 --> 00:50:12,499
process does not take place unplug from

1040
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:15,019
it you will be happier it's that simple

1041
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,650
and I when when something like that

1042
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:20,480
happens and I want you to speak to the

1043
00:50:27,999 --> 00:50:23,690
audience directly are there results from

1044
00:50:31,029 --> 00:50:28,009
that instantaneous I believe so I

1045
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,039
believe that we have certain

1046
00:50:36,029 --> 00:50:33,200
opportunities in life to actually

1047
00:50:38,769 --> 00:50:36,039
experience dramatic instantaneous

1048
00:50:40,030 --> 00:50:38,779
changes and one of those opportunities

1049
00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:40,040
in

1050
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:41,840
has to do with gossip because its

1051
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:44,990
effects are like a choking smog

1052
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:49,190
psychically and it is the finest thing

1053
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:51,020
that you can do for yourself when you

1054
00:50:57,250 --> 00:50:54,560
unplug from it you will feel at Liberty

1055
00:50:59,770 --> 00:50:57,260
and stronger in a radical number of ways

1056
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,780
the philosopher William James is one of

1057
00:51:03,580 --> 00:51:01,280
my heroes talked about a conversion

1058
00:51:06,550 --> 00:51:03,590
experience and he said there are certain

1059
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:06,560
instances in a person's life where he or

1060
00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:08,570
she can come into a new belief system or

1061
00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:11,120
take some dramatic step and it seems to

1062
00:51:15,580 --> 00:51:12,980
reorient their lives in a way that

1063
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:15,590
actually changes objective out of

1064
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:18,050
reality bill Wilson the founder of AAA

1065
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,060
had that experience when he got sober

1066
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,400
for example there are certain steps that

1067
00:51:27,310 --> 00:51:25,520
we can take that are so powerful that it

1068
00:51:30,430 --> 00:51:27,320
seems to reorient everything that we're

1069
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:30,440
about and even resisting a certain habit

1070
00:51:34,810 --> 00:51:32,210
even if we relapse and I know there are

1071
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:34,820
relapses and I experience them too but

1072
00:51:41,830 --> 00:51:37,730
even if we relapse every effort that we

1073
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:41,840
make to shed a negative habit and

1074
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:43,910
embrace a nobler form of living it

1075
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:46,340
builds up a fiber in us that does change

1076
00:51:49,930 --> 00:51:46,910
things

1077
00:51:51,610 --> 00:51:49,940
and I talked to a lot of people who are

1078
00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:51,620
suffering I talked to a lot of people

1079
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who feel depressed or anxious or

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what-have-you and you know the one thing

1081
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I tell them is if you can scrutinize

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your life and and cut out gossip and

1083
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there are other steps to you know

1084
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another step that's so important is

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separating yourself from cruel people

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even if you can't get away from the

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individual physically you can still make

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that morally revolutionary effort within

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to determine that you're going to

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separate from them within as much as

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possible and at the first possible

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opportunity at the first possible

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opportunity now to separate physically

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doesn't matter when it is that

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opportunity will come but separating

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from cruel people and persisting from

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Gossip Man they will change your life in

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hours and I don't exaggerate and I

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welcome anybody to try it and call me

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00:52:46,290 --> 00:52:43,250
out on it if I am exaggerating it did

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okay so I want to ask you two questions

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did you use to gossip oh yeah I worked

1103
00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:53,750
in the publishing business

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currency of the publishing business was

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00:53:00,510 --> 00:52:59,330
gossip time I mean you know people go

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00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:00,520
out to these expense-account lunches

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right and they just sit there over their

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grilled salmon you know talking trash

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about colleagues and I realized that a

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00:53:12,099 --> 00:53:10,550
certain point and and Jimmy I swear to

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00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:12,109
you it was almost like this palpably

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00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,180
physical experience and I think it was

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00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:16,720
physical and psychical there was a

1114
00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:18,740
colleague with whom I used to get

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00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:21,140
together for lunch every few months and

1116
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:27,800
I would get drawn in to this rotating

1117
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:31,130
wheel of gossip with this person and the

1118
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:33,530
lunch would just drag on too long I'd

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00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:35,480
come back to my office at 3 o'clock in

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the afternoon and I feel hungover I feel

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sick I'd feel almost physically unwell

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00:53:46,839 --> 00:53:44,000
and that was my first clue that these

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conversations have some component to

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them that are absolutely toxic to the

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psyche

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toxic to your physiology and I made an

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00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:57,920
effort to distance myself from that

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00:54:03,609 --> 00:54:00,430
person and I began to realize how

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00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:03,619
pernicious a thing gossip was and I

1130
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:06,080
began to realize how how many diffuse

1131
00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:07,940
sides there are to people's lives and

1132
00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:10,790
how profoundly unfair ative to try to

1133
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:12,920
boil down their life or their identity

1134
00:54:17,890 --> 00:54:15,980
or their existence to one story that I

1135
00:54:19,390 --> 00:54:17,900
witnessed or someone else witness where

1136
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:19,400
somebody underwent a misfortune so

1137
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:22,130
anyway I had a revolution an internal

1138
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:23,930
revolution about it but the publishing

1139
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:28,010
business is so fuelled by gossip and and

1140
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,890
so at one time I was very much part of

1141
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:32,960
that I was very much part of that and I

1142
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:35,410
distance myself from it completely the

1143
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:38,330
the changes that you have once you cut

1144
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:42,290
the negative people around you and and

1145
00:54:48,130 --> 00:54:45,890
you stop the gossiping and you take

1146
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:48,140
those steps towards the positive it's

1147
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:50,570
the first things that you need to get in

1148
00:54:54,130 --> 00:54:52,250
order when you want to change your own

1149
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:54,140
reality because you'll get a month out

1150
00:54:58,930 --> 00:54:57,290
two months out and you'll look back and

1151
00:55:01,839 --> 00:54:58,940
you'll say to you how used to be

1152
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,849
different this this actually works today

1153
00:55:07,390 --> 00:55:04,880
yeah I'm not the same person that I was

1154
00:55:09,789 --> 00:55:07,400
back then and it's actually barely

1155
00:55:12,299 --> 00:55:09,799
very simple if you just know you know a

1156
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:12,309
couple of simple things on what to do

1157
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,710
yes and sometimes in in fact maybe

1158
00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:18,079
almost as a rule other people notice it

1159
00:55:22,930 --> 00:55:20,119
first they may not always advertise it

1160
00:55:24,579 --> 00:55:22,940
to you but I've had encounters with

1161
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,589
people meals with people and they've

1162
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:26,720
said you know you you you have a

1163
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:28,490
different tone than the person I knew

1164
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,010
from ten years ago five years ago it's

1165
00:55:34,539 --> 00:55:32,480
not uncommon that other people will

1166
00:55:36,579 --> 00:55:34,549
notice it first and this is the kind of

1167
00:55:39,549 --> 00:55:36,589
thing that opens up the door for people

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00:55:41,529 --> 00:55:39,559
to do the things that that you would

1169
00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:41,539
Reta have done where you know you make

1170
00:55:44,620 --> 00:55:43,099
these radical changes in your life and

1171
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:44,630
you found yourself living in existence

1172
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:48,799
but was actually self selected and when

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00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:53,599
I say changing your reality is real that

1174
00:56:00,760 --> 00:55:57,380
you can do it there when I used to hear

1175
00:56:02,170 --> 00:56:00,770
about these processes and I'm talking

1176
00:56:04,269 --> 00:56:02,180
you know twenty years ago thirty years

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00:56:08,049 --> 00:56:04,279
ago I used to hear about yeah I would

1178
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:08,059
think that I would dismiss it in that it

1179
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:10,430
seemed like what they were saying like I

1180
00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:12,200
said in the opening statement you know

1181
00:56:15,789 --> 00:56:13,880
you're gonna light a few candles and and

1182
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:15,799
you're gonna dream your way through this

1183
00:56:19,089 --> 00:56:17,690
and tomorrow you're gonna wake up and

1184
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:19,099
there's a different car in the driveway

1185
00:56:25,299 --> 00:56:22,690
you know that is something more esoteric

1186
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:25,309
and-and-and supernatural but that's not

1187
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:28,880
the case is it well you know it's

1188
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,369
interesting I think over time it could

1189
00:56:35,049 --> 00:56:33,200
be the case I mean there's a there's a

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00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:35,059
natural interval that is a natural

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gestation that has to occur in life I

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mean you know it takes nine months for a

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human life to gestation in the animal

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00:56:46,329 --> 00:56:44,119
kingdom in a horse 11 months and so on

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00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:46,339
you know it's a law of nature that

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there's going to be a gestation period

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for everything

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sometimes things can happen in a hurry

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other times they happen over the course

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of years but one of the things I have

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00:57:02,849 --> 00:56:59,390
been absolutely just astonished by is

1202
00:57:05,319 --> 00:57:02,859
that sometimes over the march of time I

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00:57:07,779 --> 00:57:05,329
you know and and we're terrible I mean

1204
00:57:10,359 --> 00:57:07,789
we forget things we're we're very

1205
00:57:12,849 --> 00:57:10,369
forgetful we our attention has

1206
00:57:14,170 --> 00:57:12,859
tremendous gaps in it but sometimes over

1207
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:14,180
the course of time not noticed that

1208
00:57:17,799 --> 00:57:16,010
there will be that car in the driveway

1209
00:57:20,289 --> 00:57:17,809
or there will be somebody looking back

1210
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:20,299
at me in the mirror in the morning or

1211
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:21,410
something and I realize

1212
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:25,370
oh my god this is exactly something that

1213
00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:27,470
I was picturing I mean this is really

1214
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,120
truly congruent with my thoughts and it

1215
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:34,640
may be that it occurred over an interval

1216
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:37,730
of five or ten years but the congruence

1217
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:40,250
I tell you it's just amazing I mean I

1218
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:42,770
find a congruence between where I am

1219
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:46,160
today at age 53 and things that I can

1220
00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:48,250
remember thinking about in my earliest

1221
00:57:58,210 --> 00:57:54,340
memories at ages 3 and 4 and you know I

1222
00:58:02,320 --> 00:57:58,220
asked people to really keep in mind how

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00:58:04,510 --> 00:58:02,330
forgetful we are and how great a gap

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00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:04,520
there is in our attention and how

1225
00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:08,230
sometimes we fool ourselves we we don't

1226
00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:11,540
really tell ourselves what we really

1227
00:58:16,690 --> 00:58:14,120
want our internal talking is almost self

1228
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:16,700
deceptive and I would say if you can try

1229
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,950
to strip all that away and really

1230
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:21,200
reflect on your life what you were

1231
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:22,490
thinking about when you were young

1232
00:58:27,310 --> 00:58:24,770
where you are now where you want to be

1233
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:27,320
you'll discover an uncanny congruence

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00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:30,530
between thought and concrete experience

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let's take a break right here Mitch this

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is fade to black our guest tonight

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Mitch Mitch Horowitz I almost said

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something else

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Mitch Horowitz I called you bleeping

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when we came in I almost did it again

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Mitch bleep in Horowitz and we're gonna

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continue when we come back Ramiro's

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Demeter's this is paid to blog stay with

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imagine how it will feel when your

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family and friends are asking you what

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01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:37,000
you did to look so good your secret will

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01:03:41,850 --> 01:03:39,640
be nature's youth RSF it's time to start

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01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:41,860
looking better and feeling better learn

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:43,990
more in order your nature's use RSS at

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nature's youth calm that's nature's

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01:03:52,350 --> 01:03:49,800
youth calm that's nature's youth calm

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hello this is Serena right kayla from

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01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:54,610
conscious life Expo and you're listening

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01:03:59,400 --> 01:03:57,160
to fade to black with Jimmy Church who

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01:04:04,530 --> 01:03:59,410
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:04,540
astrological chart since 1963 true story

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01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:06,610
this is Micah Hanks of the graylien

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01:04:10,590 --> 01:04:08,290
report and you're listening to Jimmy

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:10,600
church on fade to black across the globe

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01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:12,130
on the GameChanger radio net

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01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:14,560
work and the one and only kgr a radio

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the planet

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back fader block coming to

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church on the GameChanger Network than K

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01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:43,840
GRA the planet you can follow me on

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01:04:49,740 --> 01:04:46,830
twitter @ JT radio you can follow Mitch

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01:04:53,370 --> 01:04:49,750
simple at Mitch Horowitz and he's got

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01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:53,380
that that nice little blue verified

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01:05:00,090 --> 01:04:55,510
checkmark and that that's got to make

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01:05:03,030 --> 01:05:00,100
you feel good Mitch hey Mitch you're

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going to be speaking at our teaching at

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01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:05,740
our soul tech conference coming up this

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01:05:09,350 --> 01:05:07,750
July can you give us a sneak preview

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:09,360
what are you going to be doing oh

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absolutely my man you know I'm just back

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from Egypt actually and I'm going to be

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talking about hermetic philosophy which

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:19,930
was the Greek Egyptian philosophy that

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01:05:25,290 --> 01:05:22,930
abounded in Egypt in in the decades

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:25,300
immediately following Christ it has a

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01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:27,130
lot to do with the powers of the mind it

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01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:29,890
has a lot to do with mind causation it's

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a real ancient form of mysticism and

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esoteric practice that was written down

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01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:39,700
and we still have vestiges of it today

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01:05:45,090 --> 01:05:41,770
it can be found in some of the

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01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:45,100
translations of magical hermetic books

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01:05:51,390 --> 01:05:48,700
it can be found in a great occult book

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01:05:53,610 --> 01:05:51,400
from 1908 called the Cabal Eon which I'm

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01:05:55,110 --> 01:05:53,620
making a documentary about that was one

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01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:55,120
of the things that I was doing in Egypt

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01:05:59,610 --> 01:05:56,650
and I'll be talking to people about how

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01:06:02,910 --> 01:05:59,620
practical ancient Egyptian mysticism and

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01:06:04,590 --> 01:06:02,920
spirituality can be a force in your life

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today we're going to get very hands-on

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01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:08,080
about it how magical is Egypt you know

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01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:10,630
when you go there and you know what kind

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01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:13,180
of electricity flows up your leg when

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01:06:17,310 --> 01:06:14,520
you step onto the plateau

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01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:17,320
you know you nailed it you nailed it it

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01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:19,300
does feel like electricity I had that

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feeling twice actually on one occasion I

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01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:24,850
was able to go in a temple to the

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goddess Sekhmet the ancient goddess

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Sekhmet who was the goddess of boldness

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and force and power and this is not open

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to the general public this was at the

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01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:38,470
temple site of Karnak and we had to pay

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:40,360
to get in there you have to pay to do

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01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:43,570
everything in Egypt today and I went in

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01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:45,730
there and and a friend and I did a

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01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:48,460
ceremony with a guy to Sekhmet

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01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:50,099
I just felt this sense of absolute

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01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:52,660
electricity go through my body

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01:06:55,980 --> 01:06:54,310
there was another instance we're in the

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01:06:58,349 --> 01:06:55,990
valley of kings and we got to go in a

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01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,359
closed-off portion but most people don't

1421
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,400
get to go to and again you know in Egypt

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01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:03,280
you pay to play I mean you know

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01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:06,280
everything every door is open to you but

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01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:08,950
but money has to change and we were

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01:07:13,620 --> 01:07:10,630
willing to do this it's just the way it

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is and and I went and I was able to

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touch a base relief of one of the

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ancient ceremonial Bill of bulls and

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01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:20,890
Jimmy you know I just felt a sense of

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lightning electricity just as you put it

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01:07:27,210 --> 01:07:25,030
passed through my whole body it was

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01:07:28,859 --> 01:07:27,220
absolutely extraordinary those were two

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01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:28,869
of the true highlights of the trip for

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01:07:32,609 --> 01:07:31,150
me it was also a tough trip because we

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01:07:34,589 --> 01:07:32,619
didn't close ourselves off from the

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01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,599
general population we didn't hang around

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01:07:38,339 --> 01:07:36,880
you know on air-conditioned tour buses

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01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:38,349
you know we were really out there with

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01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:41,260
the people and it's a tough country to

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01:07:44,820 --> 01:07:42,730
travel through it's a tough country to

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01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,830
get things done in but my friend Ronnie

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01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:46,720
Thomas who's a great director and I were

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01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:50,440
there for a week we filmed a lot and the

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01:07:54,810 --> 01:07:52,030
kabali on documentary is going to be

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01:07:57,870 --> 01:07:54,820
coming at you probably in the spring of

1446
01:08:00,210 --> 01:07:57,880
next year and some of what we learned

1447
01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:00,220
will be on preview at your conference

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01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:04,060
this summer the the Great Pyramid

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01:08:10,770 --> 01:08:07,300
you know it's discussed so much I talked

1450
01:08:13,859 --> 01:08:10,780
about it on this show the the Great

1451
01:08:16,829 --> 01:08:13,869
Pyramid is the one thing that not only

1452
01:08:21,059 --> 01:08:16,839
is covered and researched and documented

1453
01:08:26,490 --> 01:08:21,069
in every images turns out honestly we

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01:08:28,559 --> 01:08:26,500
know nothing nothing nothing it's just

1455
01:08:31,260 --> 01:08:28,569
extraordinary we have this terrible

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01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:31,270
sense of hubris in our society that we

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01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:33,880
can document things and understand them

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01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:38,170
and you know the truth is incidents go

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:40,450
on you know in my apartment building you

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01:08:43,979 --> 01:08:41,770
know and people have five different

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01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:43,989
versions of what happened yesterday you

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01:08:47,789 --> 01:08:46,150
know there's a broken window and there's

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01:08:51,180 --> 01:08:47,799
three different stories about why the

1464
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:51,190
window is broken and in fact is we we

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:53,710
know nothing and part of our ignorance

1466
01:08:58,620 --> 01:08:56,410
stems from this binary thinking that we

1467
01:09:01,559 --> 01:08:58,630
get into you know people will say well

1468
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:01,569
it was plainly a burial site it was

1469
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:02,080
playing

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01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:04,450
sarcophagus it's inside the King's

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01:09:08,370 --> 01:09:06,130
Chamber and I've seen it and I've laid

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01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:08,380
hands on at night i endu because we

1473
01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:10,990
think it's got to be one thing it's got

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01:09:17,849 --> 01:09:13,420
to be one thing the truth is the ancient

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01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:17,859
people aerial sites and [\h__\h] grips and

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01:09:22,829 --> 01:09:21,010
sarcophagi were and and the very

1477
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:22,839
presence of death and the honor and the

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01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:24,970
veneration of death was so fully

1479
01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:28,000
integrated into life and death was so

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01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:30,790
much more of a palpable experience and

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:33,490
an ever-ready possibility than what most

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01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:35,650
of us living in the modern West

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01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:39,040
experience today that the ancients and I

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01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:40,630
believe this is true the Celt that we

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01:09:44,310 --> 01:09:42,070
this through the Egyptians I believe

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01:09:46,410 --> 01:09:44,320
it's true the Maya they didn't have the

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01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:46,420
same sense of dividing line between

1488
01:09:51,420 --> 01:09:49,420
death and life that we have and so we

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01:09:54,540 --> 01:09:51,430
with our Western conceptions look back

1490
01:09:57,540 --> 01:09:54,550
and we think that something that served

1491
01:09:59,760 --> 01:09:57,550
funerary purpose must have been only

1492
01:10:00,510 --> 01:09:59,770
that must have been only that and that's

1493
01:10:06,270 --> 01:10:00,520
just not true

1494
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,280
there was a integration and a an absence

1495
01:10:11,730 --> 01:10:09,040
of straight lines and sharp angles

1496
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:11,740
between life and death they lived in a

1497
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:13,930
magical culture in which the

1498
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:15,910
non-physical world and the physical

1499
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:18,130
world were part of one whole and I think

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01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:19,630
that's made it very difficult for us to

1501
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:21,640
understand some of these things because

1502
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,770
we'll look at something and say that

1503
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:25,120
must have been a crypt that must have

1504
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:26,890
been a burial chamber there was more

1505
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:28,810
than one thing going on just as there's

1506
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:30,850
more than one thing going on in our

1507
01:10:35,370 --> 01:10:33,490
bodies when we pray and something

1508
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:35,380
happens or when we experience what's

1509
01:10:40,170 --> 01:10:37,960
called the placebo effect yes you know

1510
01:10:42,420 --> 01:10:40,180
endorphins and dopamine and all kinds of

1511
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:42,430
enzymes might be getting released but

1512
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:45,550
that just might be what prayer or what

1513
01:10:50,940 --> 01:10:48,070
the mental hero healing experience looks

1514
01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:50,950
like in the body it's one thing that's

1515
01:10:57,210 --> 01:10:53,380
going on among others and this binary

1516
01:10:59,490 --> 01:10:57,220
thinking keeps us from appreciating the

1517
01:11:01,860 --> 01:10:59,500
broader possibilities of human

1518
01:11:03,540 --> 01:11:01,870
experience they were very often a great

1519
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,550
complex of things going on a

1520
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,640
superposition of things going on as one

1521
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,280
of the most important things I've ever

1522
01:11:16,339 --> 01:11:11,760
heard you say and you say a lot

1523
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,349
right but but is this even today with

1524
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:18,360
all of our science and all of our

1525
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:20,070
medical knowledge and all of the

1526
01:11:26,839 --> 01:11:23,219
technology we don't understand death at

1527
01:11:31,089 --> 01:11:26,849
all we don't know anything about it and

1528
01:11:33,649 --> 01:11:31,099
until something comes very clear

1529
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:33,659
everything that the ancients had to say

1530
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:36,840
about it I think is as valid as anything

1531
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,840
and that's right out with it absolutely

1532
01:11:43,970 --> 01:11:41,760
you know it's funny the other day a

1533
01:11:45,919 --> 01:11:43,980
friend of mine was in an argument with

1534
01:11:47,569 --> 01:11:45,929
somebody who was kind of goading him and

1535
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:47,579
saying you know you're telling me you

1536
01:11:51,049 --> 01:11:49,289
believe in ghosts and I've never thrown

1537
01:11:53,899 --> 01:11:51,059
when people use words like ghosts

1538
01:11:56,779 --> 01:11:53,909
because it's an attempt to sort of

1539
01:11:59,149 --> 01:11:56,789
infantilize a very important discussion

1540
01:12:01,729 --> 01:11:59,159
by seizing a term you know from popular

1541
01:12:04,609 --> 01:12:01,739
culture and my response to that person

1542
01:12:06,979 --> 01:12:04,619
would be are you absolutely certain that

1543
01:12:10,209 --> 01:12:06,989
you know what happens after we die are

1544
01:12:12,799 --> 01:12:10,219
you absolutely certain that there's no

1545
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,809
non-physical or extra physical component

1546
01:12:16,549 --> 01:12:14,159
to life and of course the answer would

1547
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:16,559
be no I'm not certain how could any of

1548
01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:19,500
us be in which case the conversation the

1549
01:12:21,979 --> 01:12:21,630
argument becomes moot then we agree we

1550
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:21,989
agree

1551
01:12:25,879 --> 01:12:24,150
four-high of questions right simply

1552
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:25,889
acknowledging that I have questions you

1553
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:28,199
know and and and talking about you know

1554
01:12:35,089 --> 01:12:31,800
how our thoughts can become reality I

1555
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:35,099
think the first stage with all of this

1556
01:12:39,979 --> 01:12:38,400
and and correct me if I'm wrong but you

1557
01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:39,989
have to find the foundation of your

1558
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:42,750
bliss you have to find your bliss and

1559
01:12:47,509 --> 01:12:45,300
identify that how do we do that Mitch

1560
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:47,519
you know I'm really glad you came back

1561
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:50,550
to that you know one of the metaphysical

1562
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:52,110
writers who have really loved over the

1563
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:55,320
years is Carlos Castaneda yep and a lot

1564
01:12:58,930 --> 01:12:57,090
of people are down on Castaneda because

1565
01:13:02,089 --> 01:12:58,940
they say oh you know he falsified his

1566
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:02,099
identity as historicism and so on

1567
01:13:06,919 --> 01:13:04,860
but there's so much truth in his books

1568
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:06,929
and it speaks and it resounds on so many

1569
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:09,300
different levels that one makes a

1570
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,210
mistake to read Castaneda strictly as a

1571
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:14,880
work of anthropology which it's not it's

1572
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:17,940
the work of spiritual philosophy and

1573
01:13:23,959 --> 01:13:20,730
esoteric psychology one of the the

1574
01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:23,969
culmination and the day new mom

1575
01:13:29,959 --> 01:13:27,500
is the first of Carlos's donjuan books

1576
01:13:32,420 --> 01:13:29,969
involves him being on the porch of his

1577
01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:32,430
mentor and his mentor tells him you must

1578
01:13:36,979 --> 01:13:34,920
find the safe spot on this porch and

1579
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:36,989
Carlos spends all night rolling around

1580
01:13:41,959 --> 01:13:38,940
rolling around until he finds the safe

1581
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:41,969
spot a spot where he feels Noble and

1582
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,330
secure and protected and it arguably

1583
01:13:49,939 --> 01:13:47,460
saves his life because he's attacked by

1584
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:49,949
another figure in the in the story and

1585
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:52,770
he prevails and he's able to prevail

1586
01:13:58,189 --> 01:13:56,010
because his life depended upon his

1587
01:14:01,760 --> 01:13:58,199
finding that safe spot on the porch he

1588
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:01,770
found it and in finding it he saved his

1589
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:06,600
own life I would submit that one of the

1590
01:14:12,170 --> 01:14:08,730
ways you can read that story is that it

1591
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,180
is a matter of saving your own life to

1592
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:15,360
find what your definite aim and passion

1593
01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:17,250
is what you're really supposed to be

1594
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:19,830
doing in life and to assimilate that and

1595
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:23,910
I think that that is as Noble and as

1596
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:27,710
important a journey as an actual

1597
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:29,940
life-saving journey because each of us

1598
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:31,770
has something that we want to be doing

1599
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:35,370
in the world that is as needful and as

1600
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:38,100
important to us as the drawing of breath

1601
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:40,620
itself in Vedic tradition it might be

1602
01:14:45,260 --> 01:14:42,780
referred to as your Dharma in Western

1603
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:45,270
tradition we might call it your definite

1604
01:14:50,060 --> 01:14:47,610
chief aim what is your definite absolute

1605
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:50,070
aim and in the Miracle Club and

1606
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:54,690
elsewhere I I encourage people to really

1607
01:15:00,590 --> 01:14:57,570
sit down with unembarrassed self

1608
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:00,600
scrutiny in a very private way this is

1609
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,610
not something to necessarily share with

1610
01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:05,280
other people this is your own individual

1611
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:07,910
inner experiment and really ask yourself

1612
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,610
what is your most sacred passionately

1613
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:13,440
felt aim in life and you mustn't be

1614
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,500
embarrassed by it because we hide we

1615
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,199
hide from our aim because we think oh

1616
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,360
I'm a spiritual person I'm not supposed

1617
01:15:24,979 --> 01:15:23,280
to be too interested in money or I'm a

1618
01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:24,989
developed person I'm not supposed to be

1619
01:15:29,180 --> 01:15:27,060
too interested in the physical throw out

1620
01:15:31,729 --> 01:15:29,190
all of those preconceptions throw out

1621
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:31,739
all embarrassment that's why I say it's

1622
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:33,510
so important to keep this experiment

1623
01:15:36,419 --> 01:15:35,400
private it's not something you're going

1624
01:15:37,919 --> 01:15:36,429
to vet

1625
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,929
with other people it's not something

1626
01:15:41,459 --> 01:15:39,280
where you're looking for other people's

1627
01:15:42,810 --> 01:15:41,469
approbation don't repeat things to

1628
01:15:47,340 --> 01:15:42,820
yourself that you heard in the past

1629
01:15:49,649 --> 01:15:47,350
don't repeat principles or homilies that

1630
01:15:53,459 --> 01:15:49,659
are from translations of translations of

1631
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,469
ancient literature just be you

1632
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:55,840
don't be embarrassed and ask yourself

1633
01:16:01,200 --> 01:15:58,330
what do you really want and no matter

1634
01:16:03,209 --> 01:16:01,210
what answer comes back to you honor it

1635
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:03,219
honor it it could be the most important

1636
01:16:10,770 --> 01:16:07,600
turning point of your life and I I want

1637
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:10,780
to do the the Jimmy comment here the the

1638
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:13,840
very simplistic doofus comment which is

1639
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:19,330
this simply don't be scared so many are

1640
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:21,310
just they're scared right they're

1641
01:16:26,130 --> 01:16:23,980
nervous they're comfortable in their

1642
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,140
little bubble you know they will make

1643
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:27,760
that big because they're scared don't be

1644
01:16:35,970 --> 01:16:33,120
scared you know or nothing will get done

1645
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:35,980
and you know we repeat things to

1646
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,110
ourselves that are deceiving that

1647
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:40,480
ourself deceiving so chary ourselves oh

1648
01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:43,150
you know I want a nice job I want a nice

1649
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:45,340
home I want a nice family you know we

1650
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:46,810
sort of repeat all these things to

1651
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:48,370
ourselves that we think we're supposed

1652
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:50,770
to want and that our gonna press bring

1653
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:53,530
us honor and respect from our peers you

1654
01:16:57,780 --> 01:16:55,810
know spiritual people want to say oh you

1655
01:16:59,580 --> 01:16:57,790
know I want to save the world or oh you

1656
01:17:02,310 --> 01:16:59,590
know money comes second I'm interested

1657
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:02,320
in creativity are you sure are you sure

1658
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:05,770
because we can spend a lifetime hiding

1659
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:08,710
from ourselves and you know I really

1660
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:11,890
want people to get in touch with with

1661
01:17:16,649 --> 01:17:13,570
what they're most impassioned desires

1662
01:17:18,660 --> 01:17:16,659
are go through the journey and that

1663
01:17:20,669 --> 01:17:18,670
carlos writes about in the first of this

1664
01:17:22,380 --> 01:17:20,679
donjuan books where you need to find

1665
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:22,390
that safe spot you need to find that

1666
01:17:29,729 --> 01:17:25,500
secure spot it could be life or death

1667
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:29,739
metaphorically or literally and I feel

1668
01:17:36,180 --> 01:17:32,530
that it's very possible to fritter away

1669
01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:36,190
one's life repeating things internally

1670
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:38,590
or framing your desires in such a way

1671
01:17:42,450 --> 01:17:40,870
that you kind of neuter them because you

1672
01:17:44,939 --> 01:17:42,460
think they sound better you know it's

1673
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:44,949
like I want to found such-and-such a

1674
01:17:48,899 --> 01:17:46,449
company to make the world a better place

1675
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:48,909
well you know maybe that's true and if

1676
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:49,690
that's true that

1677
01:17:54,780 --> 01:17:53,050
wonderful but if that's not true heaven

1678
01:17:56,670 --> 01:17:54,790
forbid you waste your life on it maybe

1679
01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:56,680
there's something else you want maybe a

1680
01:18:00,660 --> 01:17:59,050
corporate go-getter doesn't want to be a

1681
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:00,670
corporate go-getter but just wants to be

1682
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:03,250
under a blanket at home somebody wrote

1683
01:18:08,250 --> 01:18:05,699
to me tonight a lady was telling me she

1684
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:08,260
realized that her aim was for security

1685
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:10,210
and she felt badly about that because

1686
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:12,610
she thought security may be seem like a

1687
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:14,710
very narrow thing a very small thing and

1688
01:18:19,650 --> 01:18:17,110
I said look if that's really truly your

1689
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:19,660
aim then what are life-affirming ways of

1690
01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:21,670
seeking security financial security

1691
01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:24,100
physical security as long as it's your

1692
01:18:28,830 --> 01:18:27,160
passion it will focus your energies it

1693
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:28,840
will focus your psyche in such a way

1694
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:31,210
that will give you power and how do we

1695
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:36,400
okay all right but how do we fight the

1696
01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:40,560
the power of the media where our

1697
01:18:46,860 --> 01:18:44,230
generation today that the the kids today

1698
01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:46,870
Howard Jenner the kids today see the

1699
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:50,020
headline that you know Kylie Jenner

1700
01:18:57,420 --> 01:18:53,880
becomes forbes youngest self-made

1701
01:18:59,760 --> 01:18:57,430
billionaire she's 21 years 21 years old

1702
01:19:01,680 --> 01:18:59,770
and you want to say something like this

1703
01:19:04,050 --> 01:19:01,690
to your kids and you want to do this and

1704
01:19:08,459 --> 01:19:04,060
there they go up but but Kylie Jenner

1705
01:19:11,459 --> 01:19:08,469
did it well you know with absolutely

1706
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,469
nothing you know and that's that's the

1707
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:14,080
power of the media and I want to become

1708
01:19:18,930 --> 01:19:17,050
an Instagram star I want to become a

1709
01:19:23,130 --> 01:19:18,940
YouTube star I want to become a

1710
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:23,140
tick-tock star right we're fighting that

1711
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:26,520
on a daily basis by by these

1712
01:19:33,209 --> 01:19:30,190
quote-unquote celebs that have you know

1713
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:33,219
tens of millions of followers that

1714
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:35,020
recognize what they are doing and

1715
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:36,190
they're like well there's an easy way

1716
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:43,449
out yeah you know I I have two sons ages

1717
01:19:49,470 --> 01:19:46,810
12 and 14 and whenever I'm asked

1718
01:19:51,959 --> 01:19:49,480
parenting questions I always quote

1719
01:19:53,220 --> 01:19:51,969
something that is attributed to Napoleon

1720
01:19:55,470 --> 01:19:53,230
I don't know if he ever actually said

1721
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,480
any of these things but Napoleon seems

1722
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:57,760
to have said everything apparently and

1723
01:20:03,150 --> 01:20:00,400
that is every plan immediately fails

1724
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:03,160
upon contact with the enemy I guess you

1725
01:20:05,580 --> 01:20:03,610
could say

1726
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:05,590
plan immediately fails upon contact with

1727
01:20:13,530 --> 01:20:08,639
your children so every well-laid

1728
01:20:15,629 --> 01:20:13,540
sensible values-driven plan seems to go

1729
01:20:19,470 --> 01:20:15,639
awry the moment you introduce it into

1730
01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:19,480
actual life now I'm proud of my kids

1731
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:21,190
they seem to be doing well they they

1732
01:20:27,540 --> 01:20:24,010
have good values and I don't know

1733
01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:27,550
frankly if I introduced those values to

1734
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:29,860
them they are exposed to all the media

1735
01:20:34,890 --> 01:20:32,110
that you're just describing all the news

1736
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:34,900
that you're just describing I don't know

1737
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:37,570
what precisely inculcates values and

1738
01:20:45,689 --> 01:20:42,489
children I do know that my older son has

1739
01:20:48,899 --> 01:20:45,699
made a point of not gossiping I'm very

1740
01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:48,909
aware that he stays out of clicks he

1741
01:20:55,470 --> 01:20:51,580
stays out of kind of talking trash about

1742
01:20:57,689 --> 01:20:55,480
friends and it's a powerful train and I

1743
01:21:01,050 --> 01:20:57,699
see that in my younger son as well I

1744
01:21:04,350 --> 01:21:01,060
don't know if I inculcated that in them

1745
01:21:05,939 --> 01:21:04,360
by my behavior I know that they rebelled

1746
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:05,949
against me I know they make fun of me

1747
01:21:10,649 --> 01:21:08,110
you know for my spiritual interest and

1748
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:10,659
that's natural and healthy kids kids

1749
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,260
have to do that I wish I could tell you

1750
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:16,960
I wish I could tell myself what it is

1751
01:21:22,050 --> 01:21:20,320
that inculcates values in a kid it might

1752
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:22,060
Franklin Jimmy you know kind of

1753
01:21:28,260 --> 01:21:25,380
something to do with just a kind of

1754
01:21:30,510 --> 01:21:28,270
receptivity to ideas and a sensitivity a

1755
01:21:34,649 --> 01:21:30,520
temperament that we come into this world

1756
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:34,659
with there may be qualities of karma

1757
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:37,150
qualities of reincarnation other things

1758
01:21:42,359 --> 01:21:40,570
that recur within individuals and you

1759
01:21:44,669 --> 01:21:42,369
know some kids get exposed to all this

1760
01:21:46,530 --> 01:21:44,679
media and my kids certainly have and

1761
01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:46,540
they seem to do well and I can't take

1762
01:21:51,959 --> 01:21:48,580
any awards for it I can't take any

1763
01:21:55,890 --> 01:21:51,969
awards for it I I don't know I I could

1764
01:21:59,490 --> 01:21:55,900
be more eloquent in terms of how a

1765
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,500
parent can introduce metaphysical values

1766
01:22:04,530 --> 01:22:01,840
into a kid's life but I have to tell you

1767
01:22:08,189 --> 01:22:04,540
it's as much a mystery to me as the

1768
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:08,199
ancient pyramids are I think my stars

1769
01:22:12,959 --> 01:22:10,570
that my kids are doing well and and I

1770
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:12,969
don't know the only thing I can guess is

1771
01:22:15,890 --> 01:22:15,250
that any behavior have ever inculcated

1772
01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:15,900
in them

1773
01:22:20,540 --> 01:22:19,140
good or bad has probably been something

1774
01:22:22,460 --> 01:22:20,550
imitative you know I don't think

1775
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:22,470
anything I've ever said to them has made

1776
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:24,930
an impact so much as imitative behavior

1777
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:28,530
has been present yeah my my my guidance

1778
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:31,730
to my two daughters as has meant nothing

1779
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,730
you know they laugh they do and they

1780
01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:37,920
they have grown up to be to the most

1781
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:41,550
beautiful young adults that I could have

1782
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:46,050
ever wished and and I'm so blessed but

1783
01:22:54,230 --> 01:22:51,890
all the advice I've ever dispensed no

1784
01:22:57,530 --> 01:22:54,240
but they're doing their own thing and

1785
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,540
and and you know what they're on their

1786
01:23:02,090 --> 01:22:59,520
own life path finding their own bliss

1787
01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:02,100
and I think that that is probably what

1788
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:04,500
is washed off with them is that you know

1789
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,020
their mom and dad are doing what makes

1790
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,840
them happy and that's the secret you

1791
01:23:14,180 --> 01:23:11,520
know that is the whole secret and going

1792
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:14,190
back Mitch I want to I want to go back

1793
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:16,770
to this you know the the television

1794
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:18,360
commercials are gonna tell you that you

1795
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:20,370
need the brand new car you need the you

1796
01:23:24,140 --> 01:23:22,020
know the new set of teeth you know you

1797
01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:24,150
need the house with the three-car garage

1798
01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:27,540
on it and a pool that these are what's

1799
01:23:32,570 --> 01:23:29,490
going to make you popular that's that's

1800
01:23:36,140 --> 01:23:32,580
that's the TV telling you that the

1801
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:36,150
secret is you find your bliss you know

1802
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:38,850
the genie that you know the three wishes

1803
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:40,170
you're not gonna wish for the big house

1804
01:23:46,490 --> 01:23:44,070
you wish for the Bliss and that will run

1805
01:23:49,670 --> 01:23:46,500
its course and then that other stuff

1806
01:23:52,460 --> 01:23:49,680
that's that's the bonus right that that

1807
01:23:55,190 --> 01:23:52,470
comes with it that's not your focus that

1808
01:24:00,110 --> 01:23:55,200
just happens to pop up as life moves

1809
01:24:01,580 --> 01:24:00,120
along doesn't it metaphor the genie

1810
01:24:03,980 --> 01:24:01,590
because that actually brings up an

1811
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,990
exercise that I sometimes challenge

1812
01:24:07,580 --> 01:24:06,000
people to use and I challenge myself to

1813
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:07,590
use it you know you were asking earlier

1814
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:10,680
how does the individual sort of strip

1815
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:14,760
away all the noise and get down to what

1816
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:16,650
you really want what what is your place

1817
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:18,090
what are you really passionate about and

1818
01:24:25,340 --> 01:24:21,450
I ask people to imagine that a genie

1819
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:25,350
offers to grant them one wish one wish

1820
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,930
and they can have whatever they ask for

1821
01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:29,520
but it's kindig

1822
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:32,280
the fact that they must tell the

1823
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:36,090
absolute truth of what the one thing is

1824
01:24:40,580 --> 01:24:38,760
that they wish for or they'll lose

1825
01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:40,590
everything and what would it be and

1826
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:43,080
people want to protest well you know God

1827
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:46,140
how can i how can I am how can I name

1828
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:48,770
one thing you know I have all kinds of

1829
01:24:54,140 --> 01:24:51,360
necessities and complexities in life all

1830
01:24:56,750 --> 01:24:54,150
kinds of responsibilities and roles that

1831
01:24:59,660 --> 01:24:56,760
I need to play and I honor that I bow

1832
01:25:02,420 --> 01:24:59,670
before that I do too but I do believe

1833
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:02,430
that life makes a very tough tough

1834
01:25:09,230 --> 01:25:06,570
bargain with us that if we can focus all

1835
01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:09,240
of our energies onto one thing we can

1836
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:11,910
come into extraordinary power it's a law

1837
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:13,920
of nature that concentration brings

1838
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:17,090
force right we can come into a kind of

1839
01:25:24,770 --> 01:25:20,250
transcendental power if we're willing to

1840
01:25:27,620 --> 01:25:24,780
focus our energies on one thing it can

1841
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:27,630
be very tough and that one thing must be

1842
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:29,490
well chosen we must not only be

1843
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:31,170
passionate about it but if you choose

1844
01:25:36,260 --> 01:25:34,050
wisely that one thing can cover a lot of

1845
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:36,270
different bases but if you look at the

1846
01:25:42,050 --> 01:25:39,330
lives of people you admire people you

1847
01:25:45,710 --> 01:25:42,060
really regard as heroes or role models

1848
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:45,720
almost always they stood for one thing

1849
01:25:49,460 --> 01:25:47,130
where they're certainly remembered for

1850
01:25:52,850 --> 01:25:49,470
one thing for Winston Churchill it was

1851
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:52,860
defeating fascism for Helen Keller it

1852
01:25:58,780 --> 01:25:56,730
was extolling human potential for Nelson

1853
01:26:01,280 --> 01:25:58,790
Mandela it was it was a democracy

1854
01:26:04,130 --> 01:26:01,290
nonviolent change for Steve Jobs

1855
01:26:08,090 --> 01:26:04,140
it was revolutionising digital culture

1856
01:26:09,860 --> 01:26:08,100
you know these people of course they had

1857
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:09,870
families they had life they intimate

1858
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:12,450
lives they had many things going on in

1859
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:14,970
their lives as we all do but their

1860
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:17,570
greatness arose from the capacity to

1861
01:26:21,460 --> 01:26:19,500
concentrate their energies

1862
01:26:25,010 --> 01:26:21,470
it's a tough bargain it's a tough

1863
01:26:27,170 --> 01:26:25,020
bargain and it's not necessarily going

1864
01:26:30,710 --> 01:26:27,180
to leave everybody around you entirely

1865
01:26:32,780 --> 01:26:30,720
happy but I think that greatness arises

1866
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:32,790
from that absolute concentration of

1867
01:26:39,170 --> 01:26:36,300
effort do you do you speak this out loud

1868
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:39,180
do you write it down or do you keep it

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internal

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infertile because I'd be once in a while

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I will disclose variants and the things

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to people because I feel like I have to

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provide examples of my own life in terms

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01:26:56,890 --> 01:26:54,980
of what I'm talking about but I do think

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that there's a deep importance to

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privacy some people might even call it

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01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:01,580
secrecy but I prefer to think in terms

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of privacy because when you air your

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01:27:09,940 --> 01:27:07,670
innermost desire to people there's every

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01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,950
possibility that your Uncle Mike at

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Thanksgiving will run it down

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01:27:18,370 --> 01:27:14,630
we're jealous agreed you know if you had

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01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:18,380
it right head we we run things down and

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01:27:22,090 --> 01:27:20,060
and even our friends do it our

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01:27:23,740 --> 01:27:22,100
co-workers do it there's a lot to be

1886
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:23,750
said for keeping these four remaining

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01:27:28,750 --> 01:27:26,150
silence I believe that this is the

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01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:28,760
individuals private experiment well I

1889
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:37,970
guess that kills my next question and

1890
01:27:43,210 --> 01:27:41,600
the point is that you do keep an

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internal of course I was gonna ask you

1892
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what your one wish would be or if you've

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01:27:48,910 --> 01:27:47,690
made the one wish and what was it but if

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01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:48,920
you need to keep it internal I

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01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,230
understand that but the secret to that

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01:27:57,700 --> 01:27:54,080
is well hold on the secret is don't lie

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01:28:00,040 --> 01:27:57,710
to yourself about it don't change it you

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01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,050
know you've got to stay committed once

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01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:02,960
you do it you can't alter it and you

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01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:04,760
can't chant and don't lie to yourself

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don't cheat amen amen I will say this my

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definite aim is the chronical

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01:28:16,540 --> 01:28:13,880
metaphysical experience that's my aim in

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01:28:18,730 --> 01:28:16,550
both history and practice to chronicle

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01:28:19,420 --> 01:28:18,740
metaphysical experience now I have to be

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01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:19,430
fair with you

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01:28:27,010 --> 01:28:23,360
I'm not disclosing to you every fold of

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01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:27,020
my most intimate wish because I do think

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that one has to maintain some privacy

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and some silence around that but in

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terms of vehicle in terms of vehicle if

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01:28:38,350 --> 01:28:35,690
you want to hear a good example of what

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01:28:40,420 --> 01:28:38,360
a clear aim sounds like that's one

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01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:40,430
that's one the chronical metaphysical

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01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:42,470
experience that's that's the definite

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01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:44,690
aim that's the overt vehicle of my life

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I won't be a morbidly self-disclosing

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because I feel like I do have to remain

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01:28:53,860 --> 01:28:51,650
private about certain things and I

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counsel your listeners to remain private

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but that that I would say as my my outer

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01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:00,200
vehicle and I I think we can find the

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01:29:04,270 --> 01:29:02,630
real intimate stuff and your tattoos if

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01:29:06,370 --> 01:29:04,280
we look close enough it's all right

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there you display it our guest tonight

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Mitch Horowitz it's already a great

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conversation and it's only gonna get

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better this is fade to black I'm use to

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research more with Mitch after this

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short break

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to me

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church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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welcome back fade to black I'm Errol

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semi church I guess and I'm Mitch

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01:35:05,540 --> 01:35:02,100
Horowitz and we're discussing how

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01:35:10,010 --> 01:35:05,550
thoughts become a reality and changing

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01:35:12,170 --> 01:35:10,020
your reality how to get it done great

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01:35:13,940 --> 01:35:12,180
conversation so far but Mitch let's

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01:35:16,940 --> 01:35:13,950
let's dig a little bit deeper because

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01:35:18,980 --> 01:35:16,950
that statement how thoughts become

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01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:18,990
reality is pretty bold it's pretty

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strong yep

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I would suggest coffee vital component

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01:35:36,980 --> 01:35:34,590
but it's a very strong statement and so

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01:35:40,250 --> 01:35:36,990
let's take a little bit deeper here when

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01:35:44,300 --> 01:35:40,260
when I say that what's the first thing

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01:35:45,770 --> 01:35:44,310
that that comes to mind I I would say

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01:35:48,110 --> 01:35:45,780
the first thing that comes to mind is I

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01:35:50,570 --> 01:35:48,120
don't use the term manifest I use the

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01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:50,580
term select and I think that our through

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01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:52,500
our emotionalized thoughts and our

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01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:56,490
mental pictures we are selecting from

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01:36:02,540 --> 01:36:00,060
among a vast range of possibilities that

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01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:02,550
we experience one of the things I write

2056
01:36:08,210 --> 01:36:04,920
about in the miracle club is that I

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01:36:11,150 --> 01:36:08,220
think we have seen enough at this point

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in the 21st century to realize that it

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01:36:15,020 --> 01:36:12,510
is the fact that there's an extra

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01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:15,030
physical component to existence and our

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01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:17,160
existence goes beyond our five senses

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01:36:23,570 --> 01:36:20,970
and that the model of linearity does not

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01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:23,580
hold up it doesn't cover all the bases

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of reality it doesn't cover particle

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01:36:30,260 --> 01:36:28,170
physics it doesn't cover extra

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01:36:32,930 --> 01:36:30,270
dimensional study that doesn't cover

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01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:32,940
psychical research it doesn't cover the

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relativity of time and I think that

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what's happening in terms of all this

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positive thinking that people talk about

2071
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:42,990
is not so much that we're manifesting

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01:36:48,830 --> 01:36:46,380
but at certain moments of exquisite

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01:36:51,170 --> 01:36:48,840
focus we are getting in touch with the

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01:36:54,620 --> 01:36:51,180
fact that linearity is only an

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01:36:57,980 --> 01:36:54,630
incredible useful illusion of device

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01:37:01,090 --> 01:36:57,990
that we use to navigate life in terms of

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01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:01,100
our five sensory experience but in fact

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01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:04,310
everything exists as an infinite

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01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:07,130
possibility everything is in super

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position all around us and that concepts

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01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:14,080
of time and space are understood to be

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01:37:19,780 --> 01:37:17,090
relative and particles and subatomic

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01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:19,790
objects are understood to be in

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superposition because that's what's

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really going on that's what's really

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going on and we don't have the sensory

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01:37:31,629 --> 01:37:28,460
equipment to see it all the time so we

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01:37:33,820 --> 01:37:31,639
experience a chair as a chair a cat as a

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01:37:35,620 --> 01:37:33,830
cat there's just one thing going on and

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there's a past present future

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that's an organizing principle and it's

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vital to our existence but the reality

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01:37:47,860 --> 01:37:44,540
the greater broader reality is that we

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01:37:52,270 --> 01:37:47,870
live in a universe of infinitude and

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01:37:55,379 --> 01:37:52,280
infinite possibilities and that time and

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01:37:58,780 --> 01:37:55,389
events are all part of a great vast

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whole and that through our focused

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01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:00,770
perspective and emotionalized thoughts

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01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:04,310
we are in effect taking measurements of

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that great hole at any different moment

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and experiencing things based on what we

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focus upon so that's my theory at least

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that's my attempt to come up with an

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explanation of why there seems to be a

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congruence between thought and

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experience our minds are tools of

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01:38:28,810 --> 01:38:26,810
selection they are measurement tools not

2108
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much different from the way that a

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scientist would be using a microscopic

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measuring tool in a laboratory and the

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closer we get to understanding the

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infinitude of life the more we realize

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01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:43,340
what's really actually going on we may

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01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:45,530
not be able to experience it at all

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01:38:50,350 --> 01:38:47,210
moments we may not be able to experience

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01:38:52,300 --> 01:38:50,360
it with consistency in fact it might be

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necessary to our existence that we do

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not but there is an infinitude of

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01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:00,230
possibilities facing us and our minds or

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01:39:09,939 --> 01:39:04,760
tools of selectivity do you repeat the

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thought in terms of trying to select

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something yeah yes yes yeah I think it

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01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:15,500
helps I think it helps I think that that

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01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:18,440
that repetition and assumption

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01:39:23,050 --> 01:39:20,810
ultimately concretize in

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01:39:24,430 --> 01:39:23,060
some kind of reality there may be a lot

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01:39:25,810 --> 01:39:24,440
of other things going on and other

2128
01:39:28,570 --> 01:39:25,820
people's thoughts and physical

2129
01:39:31,060 --> 01:39:28,580
limitations are at play because we do

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01:39:34,330 --> 01:39:31,070
live in a framework at least in which we

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01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:34,340
experience inevitably physical decline

2132
01:39:38,740 --> 01:39:36,050
and limitations but I think there are

2133
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:38,750
many laws and forces at play and going

2134
01:39:44,020 --> 01:39:40,930
on around us but I absolutely do believe

2135
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:44,030
repetition affirmation emotionalized

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01:39:52,780 --> 01:39:48,110
thought meditation assumption these

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01:39:55,210 --> 01:39:52,790
things wield a huge power over what we

2138
01:39:57,850 --> 01:39:55,220
experience in life so yes I think I

2139
01:40:00,160 --> 01:39:57,860
think repetition is one very simple but

2140
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:00,170
deceptively simple and powerful tool

2141
01:40:08,530 --> 01:40:03,010
that's at our disposal we've all

2142
01:40:11,770 --> 01:40:08,540
experienced the and I haven't spoken to

2143
01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:11,780
Bob in such a long time and you think it

2144
01:40:16,150 --> 01:40:12,590
in your mind

2145
01:40:18,250 --> 01:40:16,160
five minutes later the phone rings and

2146
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:18,260
you haven't spoken to Bob in five years

2147
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:21,290
well let's way beyond coincidence and

2148
01:40:26,620 --> 01:40:24,080
we've all experienced that so if we know

2149
01:40:29,230 --> 01:40:26,630
that that is real and it happens

2150
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:29,240
whatever you want it to happen it seems

2151
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:32,000
to happen is that the same type of

2152
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:34,250
process that is involved and that's

2153
01:40:39,370 --> 01:40:37,370
actually what's going on I believe so

2154
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:39,380
I believe so obviously there are

2155
01:40:44,590 --> 01:40:42,170
coincidences that occur you know so to

2156
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:44,600
speak I mean it's just you know the

2157
01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:46,370
world is filled with complexities and

2158
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:48,260
there's all kinds of things that are

2159
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:50,510
just going to happen to us as a result

2160
01:40:56,140 --> 01:40:53,600
of multiple laws and forces going on

2161
01:40:58,510 --> 01:40:56,150
multiple instances of cause and effect

2162
01:41:01,870 --> 01:40:58,520
criss-crossing one another but when we

2163
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:01,880
experience a really emotionally

2164
01:41:07,420 --> 01:41:05,600
impactful congruence between what we're

2165
01:41:10,780 --> 01:41:07,430
thinking about and what occurs or when

2166
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:10,790
past-president future or concepts of

2167
01:41:15,220 --> 01:41:12,800
past present and future all seem to

2168
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:15,230
enter a kind of time collapse and we

2169
01:41:20,110 --> 01:41:17,690
seem to be experiencing everything at

2170
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:20,120
once where things that we have thought

2171
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:21,950
about and emotional states that we've

2172
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:25,010
occupied in the past suddenly come back

2173
01:41:30,370 --> 01:41:27,920
to us in the present in this form of

2174
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:30,380
this extraordinary synchronicity or

2175
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:33,170
seeming coincidence that has emotional

2176
01:41:37,530 --> 01:41:34,610
gravity for us and

2177
01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:37,540
seems to break down a sense of

2178
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:40,520
separation between ourselves and our

2179
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:42,560
innermost thoughts between past present

2180
01:41:47,620 --> 01:41:45,110
future these time collapse States I

2181
01:41:50,140 --> 01:41:47,630
think give us a glimpse of the selecting

2182
01:41:52,660 --> 01:41:50,150
power of our minds and yes it can be as

2183
01:41:54,580 --> 01:41:52,670
simple as thinking of Bob needing to

2184
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:54,590
talk to Bob and Bob is right there on

2185
01:42:01,060 --> 01:41:57,650
the phone Rita and I have fun with this

2186
01:42:06,129 --> 01:42:01,070
so much that I'll give you a perfect

2187
01:42:07,689 --> 01:42:06,139
example we want Bob on the show right

2188
01:42:11,740 --> 01:42:07,699
and we'll talk about it

2189
01:42:14,649 --> 01:42:11,750
and instead of sending Bob an email

2190
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:14,659
right okay Bob are you available next

2191
01:42:17,890 --> 01:42:16,190
week or the week after

2192
01:42:20,649 --> 01:42:17,900
I'll just go okay well let's just wait

2193
01:42:24,100 --> 01:42:20,659
for the email to come in we'll just talk

2194
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,110
about a couple of days later hey you

2195
01:42:27,939 --> 01:42:26,000
know I got this new book out I got this

2196
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:27,949
that new TVs Erica there you know I just

2197
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:30,170
wanted to reach out and and it's just

2198
01:42:39,250 --> 01:42:35,090
like isn't that funny yes it is such a

2199
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:39,260
powerful thing now yeah is there danger

2200
01:42:46,090 --> 01:42:42,590
with that you know if you're thinking

2201
01:42:47,890 --> 01:42:46,100
negative thoughts or you know you can't

2202
01:42:50,050 --> 01:42:47,900
get a negative thought out of your mind

2203
01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:50,060
maybe you're angry at somebody I you

2204
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:53,030
know whatever it could be but is there

2205
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:57,050
danger with it too it's a great question

2206
01:43:00,580 --> 01:42:58,250
and the answer is yes

2207
01:43:02,770 --> 01:43:00,590
yes there is a danger to it but I would

2208
01:43:04,209 --> 01:43:02,780
say that there's a danger inherent in

2209
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:04,219
everything that we do in life it's not

2210
01:43:08,890 --> 01:43:06,170
just a metaphysical experience but you

2211
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:08,900
know stress will take a toll on life

2212
01:43:13,450 --> 01:43:11,570
anger will take a toll on life there's a

2213
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:13,460
great deal of danger you're getting

2214
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:15,650
behind the wheel of a car feeling angry

2215
01:43:19,899 --> 01:43:18,290
or depressed or anxious and you know if

2216
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:19,909
you've got intoxicants in you then

2217
01:43:25,300 --> 01:43:21,530
you're entering into a whole different

2218
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:25,310
territory of danger there's a danger

2219
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:26,810
with addiction there's a danger with

2220
01:43:31,570 --> 01:43:29,330
automatic behavior there's a danger in

2221
01:43:33,820 --> 01:43:31,580
terms of our inability to control our

2222
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:33,830
anger so you know whether our

2223
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:36,770
perspective on life is materialist or

2224
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:39,050
whether it's spiritual and by spiritual

2225
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,570
I simply mean extra physical there's

2226
01:43:45,970 --> 01:43:43,280
always a danger there's always a danger

2227
01:43:48,399 --> 01:43:45,980
we expand the conversation and I think

2228
01:43:50,770 --> 01:43:48,409
we almost embrace a greater sense of

2229
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:50,780
possibility that acknowledging that our

2230
01:43:54,879 --> 01:43:52,610
thoughts do have these extra physical

2231
01:43:58,029 --> 01:43:54,889
dimensions and that puts an even greater

2232
01:44:00,250 --> 01:43:58,039
responsibility on us to to know

2233
01:44:02,409 --> 01:44:00,260
ourselves and to understand our lives

2234
01:44:04,330 --> 01:44:02,419
and to understand our powers and our

2235
01:44:07,659 --> 01:44:04,340
capacities but you're absolutely correct

2236
01:44:11,379 --> 01:44:07,669
you know I mean I think if I'm walking

2237
01:44:14,109 --> 01:44:11,389
around feeling a sense of anxiety that

2238
01:44:17,319 --> 01:44:14,119
can produce hypertension and me but it

2239
01:44:22,179 --> 01:44:17,329
can also produce possibilities that are

2240
01:44:25,089 --> 01:44:22,189
going to bring fissures and difficulties

2241
01:44:27,339 --> 01:44:25,099
into my world and these things are

2242
01:44:30,009 --> 01:44:27,349
omnipresent they're always with us and

2243
01:44:31,799 --> 01:44:30,019
it should heighten a sense of one's

2244
01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:31,809
responsibility for one's own existence

2245
01:44:41,649 --> 01:44:35,510
if if this is the case and I do believe

2246
01:44:44,140 --> 01:44:41,659
that it is is free will now part of this

2247
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:44,150
or are we taking free will and the

2248
01:44:52,750 --> 01:44:46,729
concept of that and kind of pushing it

2249
01:44:55,569 --> 01:44:52,760
off to the side because we are now you

2250
01:44:58,509 --> 01:44:55,579
know creating this and then therefore

2251
01:45:01,600 --> 01:44:58,519
the future is seen and his plan is free

2252
01:45:03,009 --> 01:45:01,610
we'll still part of the picture well

2253
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:03,019
it's an interesting question you know I

2254
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:04,489
was speaking with a friend last night

2255
01:45:09,250 --> 01:45:07,010
about synchronicities we're both sharing

2256
01:45:11,319 --> 01:45:09,260
stories that fantastic synchronicities

2257
01:45:12,909 --> 01:45:11,329
that have happened to us and I said you

2258
01:45:14,140 --> 01:45:12,919
know what's interesting in these stories

2259
01:45:16,419 --> 01:45:14,150
and one of the things we have to watch

2260
01:45:19,689 --> 01:45:16,429
out for is we always think that where

2261
01:45:22,839 --> 01:45:19,699
somehow the agent of whatever's going on

2262
01:45:25,060 --> 01:45:22,849
right now that you know whatever is

2263
01:45:27,759 --> 01:45:25,070
happening however wild or coincidental

2264
01:45:29,379 --> 01:45:27,769
it is you know the agency somehow rests

2265
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:29,389
with us my hands are on the driver's

2266
01:45:32,859 --> 01:45:31,280
wheel but how do I know that I'm not

2267
01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:32,869
just sitting into somebody else's

2268
01:45:38,529 --> 01:45:36,260
picture or story or need or necessities

2269
01:45:40,750 --> 01:45:38,539
know I have all kinds of funny stories

2270
01:45:42,879 --> 01:45:40,760
about things coming to me at just the

2271
01:45:46,659 --> 01:45:42,889
right moment but maybe somebody needed

2272
01:45:47,169 --> 01:45:46,669
my assist the half way yeah exactly my

2273
01:45:49,959 --> 01:45:47,179
point

2274
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:49,969
that's exactly right right right yeah

2275
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:52,130
right yeah yes I was telling this funny

2276
01:45:56,049 --> 01:45:53,840
story and I repeat this in the vehicle

2277
01:45:58,389 --> 01:45:56,059
club it's absolutely true about two

2278
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,399
years ago one summer I started getting

2279
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,320
into the the monkeys the TV band the

2280
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:02,239
monkeys and I was listening their muse

2281
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:03,650
I was reading about them and I was

2282
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,880
knowing everything there was to know

2283
01:46:09,609 --> 01:46:06,800
about the monkeys and everybody thought

2284
01:46:13,149 --> 01:46:09,619
I was nuts and I couldn't explain it for

2285
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,159
the life of me and I I then entered this

2286
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:15,199
interval in my life where I was kind of

2287
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:16,880
in between projects and I thought to

2288
01:46:23,020 --> 01:46:21,050
myself I want a really big assignment to

2289
01:46:25,359 --> 01:46:23,030
kind of come to me and that day I

2290
01:46:26,799 --> 01:46:25,369
started getting these emails that

2291
01:46:28,089 --> 01:46:26,809
somebody at the Washington Post was

2292
01:46:29,649 --> 01:46:28,099
trying to reach me and they couldn't get

2293
01:46:31,450 --> 01:46:29,659
in touch with me and there was some

2294
01:46:33,370 --> 01:46:31,460
email snafu so finally we got together

2295
01:46:34,899 --> 01:46:33,380
and the guy said something listen that's

2296
01:46:37,569 --> 01:46:34,909
why I've been trying to reach you

2297
01:46:39,819 --> 01:46:37,579
Deana who Mike Nesmith is and I said

2298
01:46:43,959 --> 01:46:39,829
well you know of course you know I mean

2299
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:43,969
he was he was the guitarist for the for

2300
01:46:48,220 --> 01:46:46,639
the Monkees yeah and and and do you know

2301
01:46:50,739 --> 01:46:48,230
that he's a Christian Scientist and I

2302
01:46:52,540 --> 01:46:50,749
said no you know I didn't know that and

2303
01:46:54,819 --> 01:46:52,550
he said yeah did you know that he just

2304
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:54,829
wrote a new memoir and I said no I

2305
01:46:57,939 --> 01:46:56,239
didn't know that he said would you like

2306
01:47:00,040 --> 01:46:57,949
to review it and I said well of course I

2307
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,050
would and his memoir is called infinite

2308
01:47:04,419 --> 01:47:02,480
Tuesday and it's about these time loops

2309
01:47:05,950 --> 01:47:04,429
and synchronicities to some extent that

2310
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:05,960
we're talking about right now

2311
01:47:11,259 --> 01:47:08,719
and you know I've talked to myself Wow

2312
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:11,269
it was almost like I was precognitive

2313
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:13,010
you know seeing that this assignment was

2314
01:47:16,689 --> 01:47:15,679
going to come somewhere in in time and

2315
01:47:18,339 --> 01:47:16,699
you know that's why I was into the

2316
01:47:19,629 --> 01:47:18,349
Monkees and then as I was speaking about

2317
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:19,639
this I thought wait a minute

2318
01:47:24,189 --> 01:47:21,650
how do I know that I had any agency in

2319
01:47:26,140 --> 01:47:24,199
any of this right maybe nesting you know

2320
01:47:27,339 --> 01:47:26,150
gee I really need a reviewer who's not

2321
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:27,349
going to be a jerk and who's gonna

2322
01:47:31,419 --> 01:47:29,210
respect my metaphysical point of view

2323
01:47:34,330 --> 01:47:31,429
and you know so that's how I entered the

2324
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:34,340
picture I'm just a you know an ancillary

2325
01:47:38,290 --> 01:47:36,409
to all this you know we always like to

2326
01:47:40,989 --> 01:47:38,300
think that we're the ones with agency

2327
01:47:42,669 --> 01:47:40,999
but it could be this you know it maybe

2328
01:47:44,739 --> 01:47:42,679
it wasn't Mike maybe it was somebody

2329
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:44,749
else maybe the the the editor at The

2330
01:47:48,129 --> 01:47:46,489
Washington Post was thinking you know

2331
01:47:50,410 --> 01:47:48,139
boy we need to spruce up this review

2332
01:47:52,359 --> 01:47:50,420
section I need to get you know something

2333
01:47:54,910 --> 01:47:52,369
more metaphysical going on here so that

2334
01:47:57,729 --> 01:47:54,920
brings Nesmith and B into play you know

2335
01:47:59,200 --> 01:47:57,739
who knows and and of course I'm talking

2336
01:48:02,069 --> 01:47:59,210
about all this on the most elementary

2337
01:48:05,470 --> 01:48:02,079
level there could be much faster greater

2338
01:48:07,029 --> 01:48:05,480
levels of intentionality at work that I

2339
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:07,039
don't even have a single glimpse of so

2340
01:48:11,169 --> 01:48:09,170
all of this really complicates the

2341
01:48:13,299 --> 01:48:11,179
question of free will and leaves me with

2342
01:48:13,689 --> 01:48:13,309
more questions and mysteries than I had

2343
01:48:14,780 --> 01:48:13,699
before

2344
01:48:16,250 --> 01:48:14,790
yeah I know

2345
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:16,260
you must have just set it back and just

2346
01:48:21,110 --> 01:48:17,970
said to you well my hands weren't on the

2347
01:48:24,230 --> 01:48:21,120
wheel this time it's a trip it's a trip

2348
01:48:27,050 --> 01:48:24,240
right I must say I write about all this

2349
01:48:28,850 --> 01:48:27,060
weirdness in the review itself and the

2350
01:48:30,170 --> 01:48:28,860
editor at the post left it in and I

2351
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:30,180
really appreciated that because there's

2352
01:48:33,890 --> 01:48:32,070
not a great deal of metaphysical

2353
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:33,900
rumination in the Washington Post and I

2354
01:48:39,020 --> 01:48:36,690
really appreciate it leaving in mind so

2355
01:48:42,350 --> 01:48:39,030
the whole experience was quite wild yeah

2356
01:48:46,580 --> 01:48:42,360
the monkeys of all the things on a known

2357
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:46,590
universe right why do you think the

2358
01:48:50,810 --> 01:48:49,050
monkeys you know grow up you know and I

2359
01:48:54,590 --> 01:48:50,820
was like no no no these guys have it

2360
01:48:57,740 --> 01:48:54,600
going on and it all just played such a

2361
01:48:59,420 --> 01:48:57,750
strange it was such a weird epic kind of

2362
01:49:02,030 --> 01:48:59,430
opera of events they never could have

2363
01:49:04,730 --> 01:49:02,040
predicted any of it yeah and I you know

2364
01:49:09,650 --> 01:49:04,740
when it comes to free will of course I

2365
01:49:13,250 --> 01:49:09,660
would like to think that free will is as

2366
01:49:15,410 --> 01:49:13,260
a as a reality concept right that's as

2367
01:49:18,410 --> 01:49:15,420
part of our reality free will is here we

2368
01:49:21,050 --> 01:49:18,420
all want and desire that and then yeah

2369
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:21,060
and then you hear physicists and

2370
01:49:26,780 --> 01:49:24,090
scientists are talking about math going

2371
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:26,790
back to the Big Bang the numbers played

2372
01:49:32,690 --> 01:49:30,000
out the way they played out everything

2373
01:49:37,490 --> 01:49:32,700
is going to continue to play out as the

2374
01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:37,500
math works that is it there is no free

2375
01:49:43,340 --> 01:49:39,900
will I mean no matter you think the

2376
01:49:45,890 --> 01:49:43,350
decision you are making no that is the

2377
01:49:49,130 --> 01:49:45,900
way the atoms at the Southie atomic

2378
01:49:51,410 --> 01:49:49,140
level are just operating and it was

2379
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:51,420
going to happen that way that decision

2380
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:52,890
that you made was going to happen no

2381
01:49:57,110 --> 01:49:56,370
matter what and that brings me out it

2382
01:50:01,220 --> 01:49:57,120
freaks me out

2383
01:50:04,130 --> 01:50:01,230
I suppose I take refuge from I freaking

2384
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:04,140
out in ancient Egyptian philosophy

2385
01:50:07,580 --> 01:50:06,000
because some of the hermetic philosophy

2386
01:50:08,770 --> 01:50:07,590
that we were talking about before that

2387
01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:08,780
we're going to speak about this summer

2388
01:50:13,730 --> 01:50:11,490
teaches that well I guess the great

2389
01:50:14,210 --> 01:50:13,740
Maxim is as above so below as above so

2390
01:50:16,990 --> 01:50:14,220
below

2391
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,000
right appears in western scripture as

2392
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:19,920
God created man in his own image and if

2393
01:50:25,460 --> 01:50:22,130
we take seriously the notion that

2394
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:25,470
everything is mirrored in different

2395
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:27,840
concentric circles in the universe and

2396
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:28,090
that

2397
01:50:32,370 --> 01:50:29,920
are created in the image of some greater

2398
01:50:34,189 --> 01:50:32,380
higher mind somewhere then it stands to

2399
01:50:36,209 --> 01:50:34,199
reason that we do have some creative

2400
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,219
capacities within our own sphere of

2401
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:38,320
existence that's what the ancients

2402
01:50:43,050 --> 01:50:41,050
believed and and they had a tremendously

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01:50:45,209 --> 01:50:43,060
intimate knowledge of the natural world

2404
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:45,219
in ways that I don't think we've even

2405
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,010
begun to come to terms with yet and they

2406
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:50,800
also had kolender expand mathematics and

2407
01:50:55,530 --> 01:50:52,449
geometry and knowledge of architecture

2408
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:55,540
and repeat patterns in nature and they

2409
01:50:59,700 --> 01:50:57,280
were very sophisticated in these ways as

2410
01:51:02,280 --> 01:50:59,710
well and yet their philosophy led them

2411
01:51:06,689 --> 01:51:02,290
to believe that you and I and everyone

2412
01:51:09,540 --> 01:51:06,699
listening are in ourselves reflections

2413
01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:09,550
of some great higher mind which the

2414
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:12,460
Greeks called a noose and this great

2415
01:51:18,209 --> 01:51:15,489
creative mind creating us thus in its

2416
01:51:20,669 --> 01:51:18,219
image gave us the capacity to create so

2417
01:51:22,620 --> 01:51:20,679
you know thus comes in an argument in

2418
01:51:24,959 --> 01:51:22,630
favor of some kind of free will or human

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01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,969
capacity it's a tremendous mystery in

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01:51:28,589 --> 01:51:26,560
the end I can only just fall to my knees

2421
01:51:30,510 --> 01:51:28,599
in front of it basically it's it's

2422
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:30,520
interesting talk about synchronicities

2423
01:51:36,589 --> 01:51:34,000
have you seen the new docu-series it's

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01:51:41,490 --> 01:51:36,599
called Hellyer have you seen that yet

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01:51:45,209 --> 01:51:41,500
have you heard about it no ok just write

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01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:45,219
it down Helier atll are Hellyer's the

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01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:48,880
city in Kentucky and but anyway last

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01:51:55,410 --> 01:51:51,730
night I had on Greg and Dana Newkirk the

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01:51:57,570 --> 01:51:55,420
stars of Hellyer and their yeah their

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01:51:59,370 --> 01:51:57,580
paranormal investigators great coupled

2431
01:52:03,350 --> 01:51:59,380
they do amazing work in the series is

2432
01:52:07,140 --> 01:52:03,360
really good but in one of the episodes

2433
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:07,150
they discuss as above so below

2434
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:11,290
I watched it yesterday right and and I'm

2435
01:52:18,270 --> 01:52:15,040
watching them discuss the meaning of as

2436
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:18,280
above so below as you just discussed it

2437
01:52:23,220 --> 01:52:20,530
here in the same context what is the

2438
01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:23,230
hidden meaning of it you know that you

2439
01:52:27,180 --> 01:52:25,000
know it's alchemical we understand that

2440
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:27,190
it's Hermeticism we understand that too

2441
01:52:33,050 --> 01:52:32,110
but how it is interpreted is is as above

2442
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:33,060
so below

2443
01:52:39,089 --> 01:52:37,030
left up to us to figure it out or is

2444
01:52:40,529 --> 01:52:39,099
there an actual direct meaning - as

2445
01:52:43,890 --> 01:52:40,539
above so below

2446
01:52:44,970 --> 01:52:43,900
hmm these are tremendous questions I

2447
01:52:47,310 --> 01:52:44,980
mean you're getting into some of

2448
01:52:50,339 --> 01:52:47,320
humanity's deepest questions about its

2449
01:52:53,850 --> 01:52:50,349
own capacities I think probably there is

2450
01:52:58,049 --> 01:52:53,860
a vastness of meaning to that expression

2451
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:58,059
and I'm able to interpret it in my life

2452
01:53:05,549 --> 01:53:01,440
as having some sort of creative and

2453
01:53:07,620 --> 01:53:05,559
psychological meaning but I think in the

2454
01:53:10,580 --> 01:53:07,630
broadest sense it does indicate to us

2455
01:53:14,189 --> 01:53:10,590
that we are part of a great vast

2456
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:14,199
wholeness and that understanding the

2457
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:16,239
micro allows one in some way to

2458
01:53:22,459 --> 01:53:20,110
understand the macro and in as much as

2459
01:53:24,959 --> 01:53:22,469
we're given perspective on this physical

2460
01:53:28,169 --> 01:53:24,969
plane and framework that we find

2461
01:53:32,220 --> 01:53:28,179
ourselves in that is as close as we have

2462
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:32,230
to a universal law because and I bring

2463
01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:35,530
it up because there was just like three

2464
01:53:40,799 --> 01:53:37,960
or four people from the show sitting

2465
01:53:45,509 --> 01:53:40,809
around discussing the meaning of as

2466
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:45,519
above so below as varied of definitions

2467
01:53:51,390 --> 01:53:48,880
as you can imagine and I just found that

2468
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:51,400
very very interesting because you hear

2469
01:53:56,450 --> 01:53:54,610
it so often but what does it but what

2470
01:54:02,040 --> 01:53:56,460
does it actually mean what does it

2471
01:54:04,770 --> 01:54:02,050
generally mean yeah yeah I I look at it

2472
01:54:09,899 --> 01:54:04,780
I've my my take on it every time that I

2473
01:54:14,009 --> 01:54:09,909
hear it I had this vision of knowledge

2474
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:14,019
of the unknown which is the above the

2475
01:54:21,540 --> 01:54:18,480
knowledge of the unknown right is is

2476
01:54:25,259 --> 01:54:21,550
whether we like it or not is part of our

2477
01:54:27,450 --> 01:54:25,269
lives here yeah that's that you know I'm

2478
01:54:29,399 --> 01:54:27,460
being very broad in how I'm trying to

2479
01:54:32,370 --> 01:54:29,409
order to describe this but that's how I

2480
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:32,380
see it you know but then there's a black

2481
01:54:37,259 --> 01:54:34,719
and white there's a duality here that's

2482
01:54:39,359 --> 01:54:37,269
going on there's a negative positive

2483
01:54:41,549 --> 01:54:39,369
thing that's going on below is very

2484
01:54:45,509 --> 01:54:41,559
negative it feels negative it feels like

2485
01:54:47,459 --> 01:54:45,519
hell right and have above is heaven you

2486
01:54:49,319 --> 01:54:47,469
know there's so there's that mix of it

2487
01:54:51,620 --> 01:54:49,329
too but I don't quite see it that way

2488
01:54:54,569 --> 01:54:51,630
but others may interpret it that way

2489
01:54:58,649 --> 01:54:54,579
right I see it

2490
01:55:00,780 --> 01:54:58,659
at least in terms of my my use of that

2491
01:55:07,290 --> 01:55:00,790
principle as a general source of

2492
01:55:10,979 --> 01:55:07,300
guidance I see it as approbation to

2493
01:55:13,620 --> 01:55:10,989
create approbation to strive approbation

2494
01:55:16,439 --> 01:55:13,630
to develop yourself that in as far as

2495
01:55:18,839 --> 01:55:16,449
there is a universal creator or

2496
01:55:21,780 --> 01:55:18,849
intelligence or mind or power however

2497
01:55:26,549 --> 01:55:21,790
you want to think of it that serves as a

2498
01:55:29,609 --> 01:55:26,559
kind of creative agency in our cosmos so

2499
01:55:33,870 --> 01:55:29,619
do we so do we service centers of

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01:55:37,649 --> 01:55:33,880
creativity in life and I I really

2501
01:55:39,930 --> 01:55:37,659
believe that the meaning of our lives is

2502
01:55:43,049 --> 01:55:39,940
to be productive is to be generative is

2503
01:55:44,549 --> 01:55:43,059
to be creative in whatever field were

2504
01:55:47,220 --> 01:55:44,559
dedicated to I mean certainly

2505
01:55:49,260 --> 01:55:47,230
biologically we see that and understand

2506
01:55:52,919 --> 01:55:49,270
that as a fact but I think that

2507
01:55:55,129 --> 01:55:52,929
generativity productivity being part of

2508
01:55:58,319 --> 01:55:55,139
some kind of circuit of creation is

2509
01:56:01,140 --> 01:55:58,329
absolutely vital to who we are and if we

2510
01:56:03,479 --> 01:56:01,150
don't participate in that if we don't

2511
01:56:06,899 --> 01:56:03,489
assimilate that into our lives then we

2512
01:56:10,620 --> 01:56:06,909
just get into escapism we devolve into

2513
01:56:13,950 --> 01:56:10,630
escapism where we're just watching TV

2514
01:56:17,010 --> 01:56:13,960
we're just overeating we're just taking

2515
01:56:19,979 --> 01:56:17,020
drugs we're just drinking life becomes

2516
01:56:23,669 --> 01:56:19,989
escapism and I think we experience a

2517
01:56:26,459 --> 01:56:23,679
kind of slow agonizing decline and we

2518
01:56:29,669 --> 01:56:26,469
anesthetize ourselves against it when we

2519
01:56:32,580 --> 01:56:29,679
don't realize our capacities as creative

2520
01:56:35,339 --> 01:56:32,590
productive beings in the fullest sense

2521
01:56:38,010 --> 01:56:35,349
yes and and the Egyptians understood I

2522
01:56:43,140 --> 01:56:38,020
think that word you know referencing

2523
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:43,150
entropy here in in a sense in that the

2524
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,130
Egyptians fully embraced it and

2525
01:56:48,959 --> 01:56:47,199
understood it and chose to try to

2526
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:48,969
control it and make it part of their

2527
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:53,440
lives but in a nother broader sense if

2528
01:56:59,580 --> 01:56:56,800
we don't do as the Egyptians did which

2529
01:57:02,850 --> 01:56:59,590
is understand the chaos that we are

2530
01:57:05,129 --> 01:57:02,860
experiencing today that we can in a

2531
01:57:07,979 --> 01:57:05,139
sense control entropy even though

2532
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:07,989
science says that

2533
01:57:14,010 --> 01:57:10,690
you know coming apart is is the end

2534
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:14,020
result of everything yes yeah you know I

2535
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:17,530
think that we live and this is one of

2536
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,170
the areas where I believe hermeticism is

2537
01:57:25,140 --> 01:57:22,480
extremely valuable in terms of helping

2538
01:57:29,370 --> 01:57:25,150
us understand our possibilities and our

2539
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:29,380
limits today we are extensions of the

2540
01:57:33,870 --> 01:57:31,330
highest but the branch is not the same

2541
01:57:37,379 --> 01:57:33,880
thing as the tree and the tree is not

2542
01:57:40,260 --> 01:57:37,389
the same thing as the root and we do

2543
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:40,270
function within a cosmic framework where

2544
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:42,610
we are going to inevitably of course

2545
01:57:48,030 --> 01:57:46,239
experience physical decline and demise

2546
01:57:51,090 --> 01:57:48,040
there's never been an exception to that

2547
01:57:53,490 --> 01:57:51,100
that is part of our experience whether

2548
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:53,500
there's some greater awareness or a

2549
01:57:59,040 --> 01:57:55,840
possibility for us to move up through

2550
01:58:01,200 --> 01:57:59,050
some kind of concentric circles that

2551
01:58:04,140 --> 01:58:01,210
give us greater perspective on that and

2552
01:58:08,370 --> 01:58:04,150
that expose death as being something

2553
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:08,380
that's not final that we pass on to

2554
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:10,570
other other forms and other energies of

2555
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:12,730
course I'm filled with questions about

2556
01:58:17,550 --> 01:58:15,370
that but we will experience physical

2557
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:17,560
decline and demise within this cosmic

2558
01:58:24,479 --> 01:58:21,250
framework so we are creators but we are

2559
01:58:26,370 --> 01:58:24,489
creators within a framework that has

2560
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:26,380
been established for us in as much as

2561
01:58:32,669 --> 01:58:29,170
there is a framework than a tree for

2562
01:58:35,729 --> 01:58:32,679
example lives within so you know we have

2563
01:58:38,580 --> 01:58:35,739
to be more to those experiences as well

2564
01:58:40,470 --> 01:58:38,590
we have to realize that as much as we

2565
01:58:46,830 --> 01:58:40,480
can enjoy talking about infinite

2566
01:58:48,899 --> 01:58:46,840
possibilities and the ultimate existence

2567
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:48,909
of consciousness as an arbiter of all

2568
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:52,050
creation we're also going to experience

2569
01:58:59,820 --> 01:58:57,040
decline and pain and joys and tragedies

2570
01:59:02,100 --> 01:58:59,830
and natural disasters and all kinds of

2571
01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:02,110
things that are not going to be

2572
01:59:07,500 --> 01:59:05,170
avoidable in terms of our experience but

2573
01:59:10,410 --> 01:59:07,510
I think that is also reflected in as

2574
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:10,420
above so below we are creators but we're

2575
01:59:13,790 --> 01:59:11,170
creators

2576
01:59:17,149 --> 01:59:13,800
below as you were referencing within a

2577
01:59:19,530 --> 01:59:17,159
framework of experiential limitation

2578
01:59:20,820 --> 01:59:19,540
absolutely fascinating Mitch let's take

2579
01:59:22,730 --> 01:59:20,830
a break right here

2580
01:59:25,710 --> 01:59:22,740
I want to I want to continue the

2581
01:59:26,940 --> 01:59:25,720
Hermeticism discussion with you when we

2582
01:59:28,380 --> 01:59:26,950
come back I want to pick up right where

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01:59:30,570 --> 01:59:28,390
we're leaving off our guest tonight

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Mitch Horowitz this is fade to black I'm

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those two matured stay with us we'll be

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02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:19,590
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02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:34,080
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2701
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:35,850
welcome back fade to black our guest

2702
02:04:40,220 --> 02:04:37,890
tonight Mitch Horowitz fascinating

2703
02:04:45,020 --> 02:04:40,230
conversation and we're gonna continue

2704
02:04:46,820 --> 02:04:45,030
right where we left off and in Mitch as

2705
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:46,830
we're going through this conversation

2706
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:49,110
this headline just popped up are you

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02:04:54,110 --> 02:04:51,930
ready for this the US Food and Drug

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02:04:59,660 --> 02:04:54,120
Administration has approved Janssen

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02:05:01,460 --> 02:04:59,670
pharmaceuticals s Cal hold on s s

2710
02:05:03,650 --> 02:05:01,470
ketamine I think that's how you say it

2711
02:05:07,100 --> 02:05:03,660
on Tuesday for treatment-resistant

2712
02:05:11,150 --> 02:05:07,110
depression a drug that is the chemical

2713
02:05:14,750 --> 02:05:11,160
cousin to ketamine it's a nasal spray

2714
02:05:18,290 --> 02:05:14,760
and you know it's the club drug Special

2715
02:05:21,770 --> 02:05:18,300
K is now going to be treatment for

2716
02:05:26,450 --> 02:05:21,780
depression in a nasal spray there we go

2717
02:05:29,420 --> 02:05:26,460
let's let's add to the chaos and just I

2718
02:05:31,670 --> 02:05:29,430
cannot believe that and and getting back

2719
02:05:35,950 --> 02:05:31,680
to hermeticism and what the Egyptians

2720
02:05:40,640 --> 02:05:35,960
understood they understood and they

2721
02:05:44,150 --> 02:05:40,650
embraced order out of chaos I mean each

2722
02:05:46,940 --> 02:05:44,160
year the flooding of the Nile brought

2723
02:05:48,980 --> 02:05:46,950
this unpredictability this craziness

2724
02:05:52,850 --> 02:05:48,990
washing away villages and they didn't

2725
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:52,860
know but it also brung nutrients to the

2726
02:05:58,520 --> 02:05:54,570
soil they knew that they'd be able to

2727
02:06:01,310 --> 02:05:58,530
grow their crops and and the the cycle

2728
02:06:03,860 --> 02:06:01,320
of life would continue and they embrace

2729
02:06:08,270 --> 02:06:03,870
and they started to understand that yes

2730
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:08,280
it's chaotic it's out of control but we

2731
02:06:15,710 --> 02:06:12,450
use it to to advance our culture and for

2732
02:06:19,220 --> 02:06:15,720
us to live and they understood order out

2733
02:06:22,610 --> 02:06:19,230
of chaos didn't they oh yeah that's a

2734
02:06:23,810 --> 02:06:22,620
very interesting point you know by the

2735
02:06:25,090 --> 02:06:23,820
way I don't know if you're hearing this

2736
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:25,100
on your end but I'm getting some

2737
02:06:31,510 --> 02:06:27,270
interference I don't know if you're here

2738
02:06:34,670 --> 02:06:31,520
in your it's the headline of ketamine

2739
02:06:38,090 --> 02:06:34,680
okay so be gone now sorry about that

2740
02:06:39,500 --> 02:06:38,100
all right no problem you make it a very

2741
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:39,510
good point and one of the things that I

2742
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:42,690
found in Egypt that astonished me was

2743
02:06:47,780 --> 02:06:46,320
this I'm very interested in a figure

2744
02:06:50,030 --> 02:06:47,790
named Seth who's

2745
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:50,040
sometimes thought of as the Egyptian god

2746
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:51,840
of chaos or sometimes thought of as the

2747
02:06:56,150 --> 02:06:54,480
god of the underworld but in fact he was

2748
02:07:00,940 --> 02:06:56,160
the god of the desert he was the god of

2749
02:07:04,940 --> 02:07:00,950
storms and there was a beautiful and

2750
02:07:07,190 --> 02:07:04,950
necessary and vital and noble fierceness

2751
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:07,200
and strength and power about set he

2752
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:09,570
sometimes depicted as the adversary of

2753
02:07:17,300 --> 02:07:13,610
Horus who is sort of seen as the god of

2754
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:17,310
life and sustenance there was a base

2755
02:07:24,070 --> 02:07:20,370
relief that demonstrated exactly what

2756
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:24,080
you were saying a unity a unity of both

2757
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:26,730
Seth and Horus and in fact I think I'll

2758
02:07:31,610 --> 02:07:28,800
post it on Twitter for your listeners

2759
02:07:33,890 --> 02:07:31,620
later and it shows the two of them with

2760
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:33,900
joined hands set and Horus together and

2761
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:37,530
it demonstrates the absolute necessity

2762
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:41,690
of these two forces one of fierce

2763
02:07:48,340 --> 02:07:46,170
creativity and a beautiful noble kind of

2764
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:48,350
wildness and strength and the other a

2765
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:54,000
force of orderliness and right angles

2766
02:08:00,230 --> 02:07:56,880
and containment and the two of these

2767
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:00,240
things are vital parts of creation and

2768
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:02,690
this beautiful beautiful base relief

2769
02:08:09,140 --> 02:08:06,840
which I came upon in Egypt demonstrated

2770
02:08:11,930 --> 02:08:09,150
that and I was really fortunate to see

2771
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:11,940
it because the god set was a vital part

2772
02:08:17,810 --> 02:08:14,490
of Egyptian life and his his name and

2773
02:08:19,850 --> 02:08:17,820
and meaning is not often heard or

2774
02:08:23,300 --> 02:08:19,860
understood today even among people who

2775
02:08:26,450 --> 02:08:23,310
are into Egyptology and I just find it

2776
02:08:29,090 --> 02:08:26,460
so interesting that so many thousands of

2777
02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:29,100
years ago that they understood these

2778
02:08:35,810 --> 02:08:31,800
concepts you know no and and if you

2779
02:08:39,290 --> 02:08:35,820
think about it where academia it likes

2780
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:39,300
to focus on you know Egypt and then and

2781
02:08:44,900 --> 02:08:41,250
then Greece and then Rome as being the

2782
02:08:47,900 --> 02:08:44,910
foundations of civilization Greece and

2783
02:08:50,030 --> 02:08:47,910
Rome when when Egypt was going through

2784
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:50,040
all of these concepts and understanding

2785
02:08:55,820 --> 02:08:53,130
them well I wasn't even mud huts yet

2786
02:09:01,540 --> 02:08:55,830
that that was like that was 2,000 years

2787
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:04,890
for us to understand the antiquity of

2788
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:07,760
Egyptian culture when the Greek

2789
02:09:11,620 --> 02:09:09,650
historian Herodotus encountered the

2790
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:11,630
pyramid they were as ancient to him as

2791
02:09:17,380 --> 02:09:15,410
eroded this is to us and we don't even

2792
02:09:19,090 --> 02:09:17,390
fully understand the timeline of ancient

2793
02:09:21,730 --> 02:09:19,100
Egyptian culture but even if you stick

2794
02:09:24,190 --> 02:09:21,740
with this traditional timeline or going

2795
02:09:26,020 --> 02:09:24,200
back to 3000 BC and it's just

2796
02:09:29,410 --> 02:09:26,030
inconceivable even according to the

2797
02:09:32,350 --> 02:09:29,420
conventional to lend ryx how

2798
02:09:35,410 --> 02:09:32,360
long-standing a civilization ancient

2799
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,420
Egypt was it's very difficult for us to

2800
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:37,760
even get our arms around that one fact

2801
02:09:46,570 --> 02:09:43,850
much less the spiritual mythical

2802
02:09:48,490 --> 02:09:46,580
scientific and psychological view of

2803
02:09:49,060 --> 02:09:48,500
life and understanding that the ancients

2804
02:09:52,120 --> 02:09:49,070
possessed

2805
02:09:54,820 --> 02:09:52,130
let's stay right there for a second you

2806
02:09:56,410 --> 02:09:54,830
just got back from Egypt and I think

2807
02:10:00,130 --> 02:09:56,420
it's one of the most important points

2808
02:10:03,820 --> 02:10:00,140
that we can make today is that when

2809
02:10:05,830 --> 02:10:03,830
Herodotus went to Egypt in 300 BC the

2810
02:10:08,050 --> 02:10:05,840
Egyptians at that point had no clue

2811
02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:08,060
about themselves either right they

2812
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:09,410
didn't they didn't know how old they

2813
02:10:15,340 --> 02:10:12,970
were there's no books lying around and

2814
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:15,350
and all of that stuff started to get

2815
02:10:20,350 --> 02:10:17,840
compiled about that time it went around

2816
02:10:23,620 --> 02:10:20,360
to different temples and and and did

2817
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:23,630
their best to chronicle and and go back

2818
02:10:32,170 --> 02:10:27,410
you know to 3000 BC and and and Menace

2819
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:32,180
many but they did not know how they were

2820
02:10:39,460 --> 02:10:35,210
they didn't even understand it and and

2821
02:10:43,690 --> 02:10:39,470
today we really don't we don't have a

2822
02:10:46,390 --> 02:10:43,700
concept of that but for you you've been

2823
02:10:50,260 --> 02:10:46,400
there how do you think that they started

2824
02:10:52,690 --> 02:10:50,270
to get these ideas so early on at at

2825
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:52,700
2500 BC forget about building of the

2826
02:10:57,730 --> 02:10:55,010
pyramids it's the understanding of the

2827
02:11:00,610 --> 02:10:57,740
universe and and mathematics and and

2828
02:11:04,510 --> 02:11:00,620
philosophy and laws and religion and

2829
02:11:07,690 --> 02:11:04,520
education and music and and all of that

2830
02:11:11,590 --> 02:11:07,700
was was part of what should have been a

2831
02:11:14,350 --> 02:11:11,600
pure Stone Age culture yeah ancient man

2832
02:11:15,100 --> 02:11:14,360
was a great deal more sophisticated and

2833
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:15,110
complex

2834
02:11:22,120 --> 02:11:18,560
is thinking then and we often understand

2835
02:11:25,300 --> 02:11:22,130
and his knowledge of nature was much

2836
02:11:27,850 --> 02:11:25,310
vaster and deeper and broader than I

2837
02:11:31,990 --> 02:11:27,860
think we're able to conceive up when we

2838
02:11:34,810 --> 02:11:32,000
use the term nature today his knowledge

2839
02:11:38,500 --> 02:11:34,820
of the cosmos and his dependency upon

2840
02:11:40,240 --> 02:11:38,510
the natural world was so vital that

2841
02:11:43,180 --> 02:11:40,250
peering into the workings and the

2842
02:11:45,790 --> 02:11:43,190
makings of the natural world was not

2843
02:11:48,220 --> 02:11:45,800
only a matter of knowing oneself it was

2844
02:11:50,169 --> 02:11:48,230
a matter of life and death it's it's the

2845
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:50,179
mystery of humanity it's the mystery of

2846
02:11:57,160 --> 02:11:53,170
humanity you know where all this was

2847
02:12:00,189 --> 02:11:57,170
emergent from and it adds a further

2848
02:12:03,189 --> 02:12:00,199
wrinkle to our discussion of the meaning

2849
02:12:06,939 --> 02:12:03,199
of as above so below where where did

2850
02:12:09,879 --> 02:12:06,949
these ideas come from my my my sense is

2851
02:12:14,620 --> 02:12:09,889
that man's mind is more expansive and

2852
02:12:18,879 --> 02:12:14,630
more capable of absorbing higher states

2853
02:12:23,560 --> 02:12:18,889
of meaning and extra physical concepts

2854
02:12:25,510 --> 02:12:23,570
and ideas then we allow ourselves to

2855
02:12:28,689 --> 02:12:25,520
understand in the 21st century I think

2856
02:12:31,689 --> 02:12:28,699
the mind is connected to something

2857
02:12:35,470 --> 02:12:31,699
greater call it an over soul as Emerson

2858
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:35,480
did or do as the ancient Greeks did or

2859
02:12:41,620 --> 02:12:38,690
infinite mind or super mind as as some

2860
02:12:45,580 --> 02:12:41,630
people term it today but I think our

2861
02:12:47,770 --> 02:12:45,590
mind is capable of extraordinary extra

2862
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:47,780
physical experiences and you find that

2863
02:12:53,590 --> 02:12:50,690
inherent within the philosophy of

2864
02:12:55,990 --> 02:12:53,600
Hermeticism this ancient Egyptian Greek

2865
02:13:01,479 --> 02:12:56,000
philosophy well dude and I guess what

2866
02:13:04,660 --> 02:13:01,489
I'm pushing you towards is do you start

2867
02:13:08,260 --> 02:13:04,670
to accept you specifically and the rest

2868
02:13:13,359 --> 02:13:08,270
of us that the ancient gods of Egypt

2869
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:13,369
before you know pre-dynastic Egypt that

2870
02:13:18,490 --> 02:13:15,920
that is actually reality that they were

2871
02:13:21,939 --> 02:13:18,500
writing about reality that set and sack

2872
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:21,949
met and Horus and yo seers that these

2873
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:25,040
were all real that that's where the

2874
02:13:28,780 --> 02:13:28,010
knowledge came from you know I'm glad

2875
02:13:30,460 --> 02:13:28,790
you asked that

2876
02:13:32,770 --> 02:13:30,470
and this is why I love being on your

2877
02:13:35,110 --> 02:13:32,780
show personally speaking the answer is

2878
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:35,120
yes I do believe that that that these

2879
02:13:40,120 --> 02:13:37,280
beings are real you could say that they

2880
02:13:43,300 --> 02:13:40,130
are personifications of energy you know

2881
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:43,310
humanity has been doing that since its

2882
02:13:48,430 --> 02:13:45,290
its most primeval origins

2883
02:13:50,590 --> 02:13:48,440
maybe we call it by a certain name we

2884
02:13:52,630 --> 02:13:50,600
call it mercury or we call it Hermes or

2885
02:13:56,020 --> 02:13:52,640
recall it Thoth but it is a

2886
02:13:57,790 --> 02:13:56,030
personification of a kind of energy and

2887
02:13:59,800 --> 02:13:57,800
I think that's a legitimate way of

2888
02:14:04,110 --> 02:13:59,810
communicating with the greater world

2889
02:14:07,060 --> 02:14:04,120
with the higher world I have a beautiful

2890
02:14:08,980 --> 02:14:07,070
piece of original papyrus depicting the

2891
02:14:13,470 --> 02:14:08,990
god set hanging up in my apartment right

2892
02:14:17,620 --> 02:14:13,480
now but I'm looking at I've n rated I

2893
02:14:19,390 --> 02:14:17,630
worship it I petition this this deific

2894
02:14:21,820 --> 02:14:19,400
figure I do believe it's a

2895
02:14:24,490 --> 02:14:21,830
personification of energy I do believe

2896
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,500
it's real I think that our ancient

2897
02:14:29,050 --> 02:14:26,480
ancestors were quite right and we should

2898
02:14:31,690 --> 02:14:29,060
not limit ourselves to just studying

2899
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:31,700
their architecture their geometry their

2900
02:14:39,910 --> 02:14:37,730
kolender experience i'ts and and and we

2901
02:14:42,370 --> 02:14:39,920
can find retentions of absolute truth

2902
02:14:44,830 --> 02:14:42,380
within these spiritual beliefs and we

2903
02:14:46,450 --> 02:14:44,840
are not limited in our experimentation

2904
02:14:48,670 --> 02:14:46,460
that's one of the wonderful legacies we

2905
02:14:50,290 --> 02:14:48,680
live with today so my answer to your

2906
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:50,300
question is absolutely yes I believe

2907
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:50,810
that

2908
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:53,890
Sekhmet and and set and others of the

2909
02:15:04,450 --> 02:15:00,800
ancient the epic litany of gods are real

2910
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:04,460
our personifications of energy and can

2911
02:15:11,500 --> 02:15:07,370
be appealed to what do we what do we do

2912
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:11,510
with those ideas of Alexandria and and

2913
02:15:18,010 --> 02:15:15,920
hermeticism and Thoth and these concepts

2914
02:15:19,660 --> 02:15:18,020
that were collected from around the

2915
02:15:21,730 --> 02:15:19,670
world all the great philosophers and

2916
02:15:24,430 --> 02:15:21,740
thinkers and scientists you know we're

2917
02:15:27,190 --> 02:15:24,440
all getting together and apparently

2918
02:15:30,850 --> 02:15:27,200
having fun and sharing wisdom without

2919
02:15:32,890 --> 02:15:30,860
ego coming into play and their own

2920
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:32,900
cultures and

2921
02:15:37,870 --> 02:15:35,360
that knowledge is somewhere I don't

2922
02:15:40,689 --> 02:15:37,880
think it went down in you know the

2923
02:15:43,630 --> 02:15:40,699
burning of the library I think those

2924
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:43,640
concepts continued where do you think

2925
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:46,610
that they went to next well you know

2926
02:15:51,580 --> 02:15:49,040
fortunately and this is why the hermetic

2927
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,590
literature is so important there

2928
02:15:56,260 --> 02:15:53,840
hermetic literature was a collection of

2929
02:15:58,840 --> 02:15:56,270
manuscripts that were written in the

2930
02:16:02,770 --> 02:15:58,850
decades immediately following Christ by

2931
02:16:03,580 --> 02:16:02,780
Greek Egyptians and as best as we can

2932
02:16:07,209 --> 02:16:03,590
understand

2933
02:16:10,919 --> 02:16:07,219
they took Egyptian oral tradition they

2934
02:16:14,970 --> 02:16:10,929
took Egyptian philosophy and they

2935
02:16:18,459 --> 02:16:14,980
translated it into a literary language

2936
02:16:21,490 --> 02:16:18,469
Greek which we have the capacity to

2937
02:16:24,100 --> 02:16:21,500
understand and translate and commune

2938
02:16:26,890 --> 02:16:24,110
with today the Egyptian hieroglyphic

2939
02:16:30,490 --> 02:16:26,900
language was was more of a symbolical

2940
02:16:33,339 --> 02:16:30,500
language it wasn't expository in the

2941
02:16:35,709 --> 02:16:33,349
same way that Greek is so in the

2942
02:16:36,790 --> 02:16:35,719
hermetic literature we have a kind of

2943
02:16:39,850 --> 02:16:36,800
time capsule

2944
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:39,860
we have a kind of retention of ancient

2945
02:16:45,370 --> 02:16:42,559
Egyptian ideas ideas that had probably

2946
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:45,380
circulated for many many hundreds of

2947
02:16:51,850 --> 02:16:48,410
years in oral tradition since that seems

2948
02:16:53,980 --> 02:16:51,860
to be the habit of humanity things occur

2949
02:16:55,719 --> 02:16:53,990
first and are passed along through oral

2950
02:16:57,910 --> 02:16:55,729
tradition and only later are written

2951
02:17:00,669 --> 02:16:57,920
down that's why the dramatic literature

2952
02:17:03,310 --> 02:17:00,679
is so valuable to me and in an occult

2953
02:17:06,850 --> 02:17:03,320
book like the Cabal yawn you do have you

2954
02:17:09,610 --> 02:17:06,860
do have authentic vestiges and threads

2955
02:17:11,020 --> 02:17:09,620
of some of this ancient wisdom and

2956
02:17:12,790 --> 02:17:11,030
that's something that we're going to be

2957
02:17:15,400 --> 02:17:12,800
talking about at your conference this

2958
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:15,410
summer so some of this is hidden in

2959
02:17:22,140 --> 02:17:18,050
plain sight in the sense that we do have

2960
02:17:24,669 --> 02:17:22,150
a few precious precious threads of

2961
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:24,679
wisdom that have been preserved in the

2962
02:17:29,770 --> 02:17:27,290
hermetic literature that give us an

2963
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:29,780
insight into some of the understanding

2964
02:17:35,560 --> 02:17:33,439
of the ancient word is it survive today

2965
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:35,570
you know where we talk about the mystery

2966
02:17:43,030 --> 02:17:40,729
schools and and that it's out there

2967
02:17:46,169 --> 02:17:43,040
where do we where do we where does it

2968
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:46,179
survive today if you could point this

2969
02:17:51,389 --> 02:17:48,489
audience in a direction where do you

2970
02:17:54,030 --> 02:17:51,399
think it continues I think that yeah I

2971
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:54,040
don't think frankly that there's any

2972
02:17:59,759 --> 02:17:58,479
great mystery school or there's any you

2973
02:18:01,979 --> 02:17:59,769
know lodge

2974
02:18:05,339 --> 02:18:01,989
you know filled with with with people

2975
02:18:08,759 --> 02:18:05,349
who are kind of vouchsafing this wisdom

2976
02:18:10,349 --> 02:18:08,769
I I don't think that the secret school

2977
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:10,359
is something that's going to bear fruit

2978
02:18:16,589 --> 02:18:13,090
for people if they go in search of it

2979
02:18:20,809 --> 02:18:16,599
but I do think that some of this ancient

2980
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:20,819
wisdom does live within and is

2981
02:18:27,809 --> 02:18:25,210
attainable to the deeply sensitive

2982
02:18:30,229 --> 02:18:27,819
motivated individual who really searches

2983
02:18:33,269 --> 02:18:30,239
through the ideas of the ancient and

2984
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:33,279
experiments experiments in life today

2985
02:18:39,269 --> 02:18:36,960
you can get yourself a few decent

2986
02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:39,279
translations of the hermetic literature

2987
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:43,330
for example one that I recommend is it's

2988
02:18:47,790 --> 02:18:45,010
just called rheumatica and that the

2989
02:18:49,500 --> 02:18:47,800
translator is Brian koppenhaver it's

2990
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:49,510
from Cambridge University Press

2991
02:18:54,030 --> 02:18:51,609
inner traditions my publisher also

2992
02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:54,040
publishes a really excellent translation

2993
02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:55,840
of some of the hermetic literature you

2994
02:19:00,269 --> 02:18:58,090
can you can start there with some of

2995
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:00,279
those translations but you're gonna have

2996
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:03,519
to bring yourself into experimentation

2997
02:19:10,110 --> 02:19:07,120
with these ideas the fee of entry to

2998
02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:10,120
esoteric ideas and getting one's hands

2999
02:19:14,669 --> 02:19:12,130
dirty you you have to have a mechanism

3000
02:19:16,679 --> 02:19:14,679
for experimenting with these things I'm

3001
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:16,689
working and experimenting all the time

3002
02:19:21,689 --> 02:19:20,050
with meditation and visualization and

3003
02:19:24,299 --> 02:19:21,699
the uses of the mind and trying to

3004
02:19:26,759 --> 02:19:24,309
discover congruence ease between thought

3005
02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:26,769
and reality and also not get lost and

3006
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:29,170
just kind of imagining what they're when

3007
02:19:34,379 --> 02:19:30,489
it really isn't because it's what I'm

3008
02:19:36,209 --> 02:19:34,389
looking for there are a precious few

3009
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:36,219
places where I think you can find

3010
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:39,599
colleagues to study esoteric wisdom with

3011
02:19:43,679 --> 02:19:42,160
but they're not dramatic and they're not

3012
02:19:46,889 --> 02:19:43,689
you know they don't involve secret

3013
02:19:48,059 --> 02:19:46,899
handshakes and I think people who lay

3014
02:19:49,950 --> 02:19:48,069
claims to secrecy

3015
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:49,960
often don't know what they're talking

3016
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:51,850
about I think they're they're they're

3017
02:19:56,040 --> 02:19:54,010
they're victims of artifice themselves

3018
02:19:57,540 --> 02:19:56,050
they may think they belong to some sort

3019
02:19:59,099 --> 02:19:57,550
of ancient order that's that's not

3020
02:20:00,080 --> 02:19:59,109
really there don't get lost in drama

3021
02:20:03,769 --> 02:20:00,090
don't get lost

3022
02:20:06,050 --> 02:20:03,779
pageantry or costumery or whatsoever but

3023
02:20:07,580 --> 02:20:06,060
roll yourself throw yourself into

3024
02:20:09,800 --> 02:20:07,590
experiment throw yourself into

3025
02:20:12,620 --> 02:20:09,810
experiment and this can include chaos

3026
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:12,630
magic and ceremonial magic and Salima

3027
02:20:18,019 --> 02:20:15,810
and and new thought and all kinds of

3028
02:20:20,479 --> 02:20:18,029
different ideas you know if you can find

3029
02:20:23,719 --> 02:20:20,489
a legitimate strain of shamanic thoughts

3030
02:20:25,849 --> 02:20:23,729
and then follow that but don't kid

3031
02:20:27,260 --> 02:20:25,859
yourself that any one thing is going to

3032
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:27,270
become the turn tear that unlocks

3033
02:20:31,099 --> 02:20:29,130
everything for the great likely but is

3034
02:20:33,469 --> 02:20:31,109
that you'll have to experiment with a

3035
02:20:37,819 --> 02:20:33,479
lot of us in a lot of different ways and

3036
02:20:41,149 --> 02:20:37,829
you may begin to find a convergence of

3037
02:20:42,769 --> 02:20:41,159
paths a convergence of ideas and that

3038
02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:42,779
may lead you to some individual insight

3039
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:44,850
so again we come back to as above so

3040
02:20:48,590 --> 02:20:46,560
below I think that if there's a place

3041
02:20:51,819 --> 02:20:48,600
for some of these things exist they

3042
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:51,829
exist within the psyche of the mature

3043
02:21:00,260 --> 02:20:54,000
experimenting seeker

3044
02:21:02,780 --> 02:21:00,270
where would we be today if if Alexandria

3045
02:21:06,319 --> 02:21:02,790
wasn't burned down right if we had all

3046
02:21:09,380 --> 02:21:06,329
of those ancient texts and and and the

3047
02:21:12,229 --> 02:21:09,390
technology and the science and and the

3048
02:21:16,490 --> 02:21:12,239
religion the philosophy would have

3049
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:16,500
continued through you know years zero

3050
02:21:21,620 --> 02:21:18,810
would we have been on the moon you know

3051
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:21,630
two thousand years ago right who can

3052
02:21:25,340 --> 02:21:23,850
know who can know you know maybe there

3053
02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:25,350
would have been some other cataclysmic

3054
02:21:30,040 --> 02:21:27,449
event that would have deprived us of

3055
02:21:33,219 --> 02:21:30,050
this knowledge since human beings seemed

3056
02:21:35,389 --> 02:21:33,229
better as dividing against one another

3057
02:21:38,090 --> 02:21:35,399
than we are at anything else

3058
02:21:40,010 --> 02:21:38,100
you know practically so these

3059
02:21:43,219 --> 02:21:40,020
cataclysmic events and these outbreaks

3060
02:21:45,950 --> 02:21:43,229
of mass violence seem to be part of

3061
02:21:48,649 --> 02:21:45,960
human culture so you know one could only

3062
02:21:51,710 --> 02:21:48,659
guess but the possibility is of course

3063
02:21:53,479 --> 02:21:51,720
that some other catastrophe would have

3064
02:21:55,340 --> 02:21:53,489
occurred that that would have deprived

3065
02:21:57,500 --> 02:21:55,350
us of some of that some of that

3066
02:21:58,880 --> 02:21:57,510
knowledge but it you know youth laid

3067
02:22:01,910 --> 02:21:58,890
your hands on one of the great what-ifs

3068
02:22:04,939 --> 02:22:01,920
of human history yeah and what was

3069
02:22:08,210 --> 02:22:04,949
speaking of what-ifs let's kind of end

3070
02:22:11,899 --> 02:22:08,220
on this note what if I mean you know

3071
02:22:13,370 --> 02:22:11,909
gobekli tepe was was found in 1995

3072
02:22:16,040 --> 02:22:13,380
wasn't supposed to exist

3073
02:22:18,530 --> 02:22:16,050
now we have an ancient temple of high

3074
02:22:21,290 --> 02:22:18,540
technology that was built seven thousand

3075
02:22:23,210 --> 02:22:21,300
years before the Great Pyramid that it

3076
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:23,220
wasn't supposed to exist we were told

3077
02:22:27,860 --> 02:22:25,200
that a you know ancient Egypt was the

3078
02:22:28,969 --> 02:22:27,870
start of everything at 3100 BC and now

3079
02:22:30,980 --> 02:22:28,979
we have gobekli tepe

3080
02:22:34,400 --> 02:22:30,990
what if with the thawing of these

3081
02:22:38,510 --> 02:22:34,410
glaciers in Greenland or in Antarctica

3082
02:22:42,830 --> 02:22:38,520
that some crazy thing is exposed where

3083
02:22:45,500 --> 02:22:42,840
yeah obviously things aren't what we

3084
02:22:47,570 --> 02:22:45,510
have been taught you know some 50

3085
02:22:51,230 --> 02:22:47,580
thousand a hundred thousand year old

3086
02:22:54,500 --> 02:22:51,240
city is is revealed or taxed or or

3087
02:22:58,880 --> 02:22:54,510
information are we equipped to handle

3088
02:23:01,429 --> 02:22:58,890
that today I I would submit to you that

3089
02:23:04,010 --> 02:23:01,439
not really we not equipped to handle it

3090
02:23:07,070 --> 02:23:04,020
but a whole industry of people would

3091
02:23:09,290 --> 02:23:07,080
spring up to ridicule it and to deter

3092
02:23:11,150 --> 02:23:09,300
investigation of it and to pronounce it

3093
02:23:13,639 --> 02:23:11,160
a hoax and to pronounce it nonsense

3094
02:23:15,500 --> 02:23:13,649
because this is it's sort of like the

3095
02:23:19,130 --> 02:23:15,510
allegory of the cave over and over again

3096
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:19,140
I mean my friends Robert Schoch and and

3097
02:23:23,719 --> 02:23:20,930
and the late John Anthony West

3098
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:23,729
discovered water erosion on the oldest

3099
02:23:28,040 --> 02:23:25,920
portion of snakes and rather than just

3100
02:23:29,590 --> 02:23:28,050
saying well this is curious and

3101
02:23:31,310 --> 02:23:29,600
marshalling some resources to

3102
02:23:33,710 --> 02:23:31,320
investigate it

3103
02:23:36,860 --> 02:23:33,720
academia could most of academia

3104
02:23:40,690 --> 02:23:36,870
continually runs them down dismisses

3105
02:23:43,370 --> 02:23:40,700
that comes up with contradictory

3106
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:43,380
evidence or what is presented as

3107
02:23:48,980 --> 02:23:45,930
contradictory evidence without directly

3108
02:23:51,650 --> 02:23:48,990
without directly answering the water

3109
02:23:54,050 --> 02:23:51,660
erosion thesis itself and this is a very

3110
02:23:55,969 --> 02:23:54,060
important point I want to make it's it's

3111
02:23:59,150 --> 02:23:55,979
one thing to come up with evidence that

3112
02:24:00,920 --> 02:23:59,160
you purport is contradictory and that's

3113
02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:00,930
important and that's necessary but it's

3114
02:24:07,490 --> 02:24:03,090
not the same thing as actually

3115
02:24:09,679 --> 02:24:07,500
investigating and and responding to the

3116
02:24:12,740 --> 02:24:09,689
water erosion thesis itself so there's

3117
02:24:15,550 --> 02:24:12,750
an instance where two scientists

3118
02:24:18,980 --> 02:24:15,560
discovered something that could question

3119
02:24:21,170 --> 02:24:18,990
the timeline of antiquity and rather

3120
02:24:23,780 --> 02:24:21,180
than saying well this is interesting

3121
02:24:27,261 --> 02:24:23,790
let's investigate it let's see what's

3122
02:24:31,060 --> 02:24:27,271
there a whole industry of people haven't

3123
02:24:34,881 --> 02:24:31,070
said deemed it a dangerous doorway to

3124
02:24:38,211 --> 02:24:34,891
irrationality and tried to come up with

3125
02:24:40,671 --> 02:24:38,221
ways to counter and ridicule the thesis

3126
02:24:42,980 --> 02:24:40,681
while not directly responding to the

3127
02:24:44,030 --> 02:24:42,990
thesis itself so my suspicion is based

3128
02:24:46,491 --> 02:24:44,040
on human nature

3129
02:24:48,711 --> 02:24:46,501
if glacial melting brought us face to

3130
02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:48,721
face with something extraordinary we'd

3131
02:24:52,491 --> 02:24:50,370
probably spend the next generation

3132
02:24:55,881 --> 02:24:52,501
running it down and denying its

3133
02:24:58,041 --> 02:24:55,891
existence how sad right now saying it

3134
02:24:59,991 --> 02:24:58,051
said but but knowledge wants to be free

3135
02:25:01,820 --> 02:25:00,001
and it's a basic of human nature that we

3136
02:25:04,190 --> 02:25:01,830
want to know what's around the next kill

3137
02:25:06,440 --> 02:25:04,200
so you know you can burn the fleet you

3138
02:25:08,871 --> 02:25:06,450
can smash Galileo's telescope you can

3139
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:08,881
you can tear up the map but but the

3140
02:25:13,911 --> 02:25:11,040
human wish to know will will always be

3141
02:25:16,761 --> 02:25:13,921
triumphant I believe yeah one of the I

3142
02:25:19,220 --> 02:25:16,771
encourage anybody that if you want to

3143
02:25:22,881 --> 02:25:19,230
have a paradigm shift mind-bending

3144
02:25:25,610 --> 02:25:22,891
experience simply go to the Met and walk

3145
02:25:31,220 --> 02:25:25,620
through the Egyptian wing that's all

3146
02:25:34,671 --> 02:25:31,230
that's all you got to do you walk up to

3147
02:25:37,881 --> 02:25:34,681
a 45 hundred year old you know 10-ton

3148
02:25:40,220 --> 02:25:37,891
20-ton sarcophagus carved out of black

3149
02:25:42,621 --> 02:25:40,230
granite with those inscriptions and you

3150
02:25:47,661 --> 02:25:42,631
look at that and you go man somebody's

3151
02:25:50,480 --> 02:25:47,671
lying to us that is the best you have to

3152
02:25:53,661 --> 02:25:50,490
book stone you know with the pictures

3153
02:25:56,030 --> 02:25:53,671
the Internet no go and look at this for

3154
02:25:57,970 --> 02:25:56,040
yourselves and then you'll start to get

3155
02:26:01,640 --> 02:25:57,980
it you'll just start to understand I

3156
02:26:04,220 --> 02:26:01,650
quite agree that's beautifully put if

3157
02:26:05,541 --> 02:26:04,230
you walk through those galleries and

3158
02:26:08,421 --> 02:26:05,551
they're open to everybody you will

3159
02:26:09,860 --> 02:26:08,431
absolutely be be haunted by what you see

3160
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:09,870
and haunt it in the best way it will

3161
02:26:13,701 --> 02:26:11,730
give you a great sense but there's

3162
02:26:15,470 --> 02:26:13,711
there's so much more than we've

3163
02:26:17,690 --> 02:26:15,480
understood what we see is not all there

3164
02:26:19,761 --> 02:26:17,700
is now Mitch I want to thank you I know

3165
02:26:22,070 --> 02:26:19,771
that you've I'd you've got to go do your

3166
02:26:25,911 --> 02:26:22,080
thing and then get on this plane and get

3167
02:26:29,180 --> 02:26:25,921
out here to LA what is your first event

3168
02:26:32,480 --> 02:26:29,190
once you get here my first event is

3169
02:26:34,180 --> 02:26:32,490
going to be Thursday night at 7 o'clock

3170
02:26:38,091 --> 02:26:34,190
at Manly Hall school it's called

3171
02:26:40,610 --> 02:26:38,101
unvanquished Angels America's not so

3172
02:26:41,151 --> 02:26:40,620
lost occult heroes and you can register

3173
02:26:45,411 --> 02:26:41,161
for

3174
02:26:47,451 --> 02:26:45,421
by going to you PRS edu you PR sidd you

3175
02:26:50,031 --> 02:26:47,461
that's Thursday night and it's going to

3176
02:26:51,831 --> 02:26:50,041
be terrific it's going to kick off a few

3177
02:26:52,821 --> 02:26:51,841
days of some really wonderful esoteric

3178
02:26:55,281 --> 02:26:52,831
activities

3179
02:26:56,781 --> 02:26:55,291
I can't wait and I'm gonna do my best to

3180
02:26:59,781 --> 02:26:56,791
get out there Thursday night obviously

3181
02:27:02,241 --> 02:26:59,791
I'm on the air Thank You Man but we've

3182
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:02,251
got to hang out this this trip we missed

3183
02:27:06,861 --> 02:27:04,650
each other last time let's uh let's uh

3184
02:27:10,581 --> 02:27:06,871
you read and I go out and break some

3185
02:27:14,421 --> 02:27:10,591
bread I'll talk to you Mitch safe

3186
02:27:15,531 --> 02:27:14,431
travels safe travels out west thank you

3187
02:27:18,470 --> 02:27:15,541
great to be here

3188
02:27:20,421 --> 02:27:18,480
Mitch Horowitz everybody now all of the

3189
02:27:21,861 --> 02:27:20,431
links for Mitch's schedule and

3190
02:27:24,470 --> 02:27:21,871
everything is up we've got it up in

3191
02:27:26,211 --> 02:27:24,480
Twitter and we certainly have it up on

3192
02:27:27,881 --> 02:27:26,221
the website going click and if you're

3193
02:27:30,680 --> 02:27:27,891
here in Los Angeles San Francisco

3194
02:27:33,351 --> 02:27:30,690
Phoenix come on out and hang out with

3195
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:33,361
Mitch this weekend at the Manley P Hall

3196
02:27:37,161 --> 02:27:34,730
center right here in Glendale California

3197
02:27:39,501 --> 02:27:37,171
our murals Jimmy Church I'm gonna get

3198
02:27:41,361 --> 02:27:39,511
out of here come back after this short

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break I want to thank Mitch and of

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02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:42,781
course I'm gonna open up the phone lines

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what did you think about this

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conversation tonight we'll do all of

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that right after this short break stay

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with us

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[Music]

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and you are listening to my boy Jimmy

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black

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I'm opening up the phone lines right now

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seven four seven two two eight two zero

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five one seven four seven two two eight

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two zero five one and while we wait for

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the delay and the calls to come in

3294
02:32:50,040 --> 02:32:46,800
fascinating conversation tonight and

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manifesting that's that's my word you

3296
02:32:58,340 --> 02:32:53,439
know creating your your own reality it

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02:33:01,859 --> 02:32:58,350
is 100% possible so 100% possible and

3298
02:33:07,099 --> 02:33:01,869
the the concepts behind it although

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02:33:10,380 --> 02:33:07,109
simple they take work and it can't be

3300
02:33:13,139 --> 02:33:10,390
simplified there's no easy road but you

3301
02:33:17,370 --> 02:33:13,149
can and the power of the mind and

3302
02:33:23,609 --> 02:33:17,380
thought is is so strong that if you

3303
02:33:27,500 --> 02:33:23,619
choose to do that you know be careful be

3304
02:33:29,729 --> 02:33:27,510
careful that's the best advice because

3305
02:33:32,989 --> 02:33:29,739
what I think that you want to base

3306
02:33:36,989 --> 02:33:32,999
everything on something as simple as

3307
02:33:41,130 --> 02:33:36,999
finding your bliss what is it what is

3308
02:33:44,279 --> 02:33:41,140
that one thing what is that one thing

3309
02:33:48,179 --> 02:33:44,289
where you will achieve that that

3310
02:33:53,069 --> 02:33:48,189
happiness that glow right and everything

3311
02:33:56,010 --> 02:33:53,079
else will follow everything else again

3312
02:33:59,870 --> 02:33:56,020
going back to these concepts and I do

3313
02:34:02,250 --> 02:33:59,880
want to hear from from you about this so

3314
02:34:05,309 --> 02:34:02,260
the numbers are open now seven four

3315
02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:05,319
seven two two eight two zero five one in

3316
02:34:10,019 --> 02:34:07,840
that the reason why you want to be

3317
02:34:12,559 --> 02:34:10,029
careful find your bliss and that is

3318
02:34:14,609 --> 02:34:12,569
something that is is very very personal

3319
02:34:16,859 --> 02:34:14,619
don't be scared

3320
02:34:19,529 --> 02:34:16,869
whatever it is don't be embarrassed

3321
02:34:23,489 --> 02:34:19,539
about it or whatever it's what makes you

3322
02:34:28,409 --> 02:34:23,499
happy and everything else will align

3323
02:34:29,501 --> 02:34:28,419
itself into your life with that comes

3324
02:34:32,470 --> 02:34:29,511
the chaos

3325
02:34:35,261 --> 02:34:32,480
and I addressed this in my opening

3326
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:35,271
statement and rant tonight on the show

3327
02:34:43,480 --> 02:34:40,610
in that Rita and I decided to change our

3328
02:34:47,980 --> 02:34:43,490
reality we did and we made a very

3329
02:34:49,990 --> 02:34:47,990
conscious effort in in that and we did

3330
02:34:53,740 --> 02:34:50,000
and we pulled it off what comes with

3331
02:34:57,430 --> 02:34:53,750
that is chaos I expressed it it's very

3332
02:34:59,470 --> 02:34:57,440
personal and in a very direct way what

3333
02:35:02,261 --> 02:34:59,480
came with that there are things that you

3334
02:35:07,871 --> 02:35:02,271
have to deal with and figure out a way

3335
02:35:11,411 --> 02:35:07,881
to embrace because that chaos that

3336
02:35:13,541 --> 02:35:11,421
unwinding that unglue of your life is

3337
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:13,551
going to come with that because now you

3338
02:35:22,511 --> 02:35:18,110
are changing directions and and and and

3339
02:35:24,881 --> 02:35:22,521
nobody warned me and nobody let Reid and

3340
02:35:28,661 --> 02:35:24,891
I know that this is what's gonna come

3341
02:35:31,720 --> 02:35:28,671
along with the ride okay we were so

3342
02:35:34,990 --> 02:35:31,730
focused on getting things done and still

3343
02:35:37,780 --> 02:35:35,000
are to this day that the chaos and the

3344
02:35:41,740 --> 02:35:37,790
things that started to erupt and it

3345
02:35:46,121 --> 02:35:41,750
erupted and it it showed itself very

3346
02:35:51,490 --> 02:35:46,131
very early and naturally this is what we

3347
02:35:54,511 --> 02:35:51,500
did naturally we chose to ignore some of

3348
02:35:57,341 --> 02:35:54,521
the negative things we chose to ignore

3349
02:35:59,261 --> 02:35:57,351
things that would take us you know I

3350
02:36:02,350 --> 02:35:59,271
keep saying this that we were in our

3351
02:36:04,270 --> 02:36:02,360
lane and we're still in our lane things

3352
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:04,280
that were trying to pull us out of our

3353
02:36:12,280 --> 02:36:10,250
lane no you know we we stayed true right

3354
02:36:15,791 --> 02:36:12,290
and we stayed in our lane and it's hard

3355
02:36:17,530 --> 02:36:15,801
man oh it's hard you just got their

3356
02:36:21,070 --> 02:36:17,540
hands on that wheel and you're just

3357
02:36:25,240 --> 02:36:21,080
staying in your lane but nobody told it

3358
02:36:28,900 --> 02:36:25,250
naturally we figured this out day to day

3359
02:36:32,740 --> 02:36:28,910
today today right and and figuring out

3360
02:36:34,270 --> 02:36:32,750
that there were going to be jealousies

3361
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:34,280
and there was going to be some negative

3362
02:36:42,420 --> 02:36:37,610
influence there was people out there not

3363
02:36:45,929 --> 02:36:42,430
everybody but people hate success

3364
02:36:48,809 --> 02:36:45,939
and it doesn't matter and what I am

3365
02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:48,819
referring to here about this show is it

3366
02:36:57,840 --> 02:36:51,369
as successful in in its own little way

3367
02:37:00,420 --> 02:36:57,850
it is certainly it is a success but in

3368
02:37:02,699 --> 02:37:00,430
your own lives out there in your own

3369
02:37:04,380 --> 02:37:02,709
lives when you're out doing your thing

3370
02:37:06,540 --> 02:37:04,390
and you're successful at something you

3371
02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:06,550
know you know that there's people around

3372
02:37:13,500 --> 02:37:09,369
you that don't want to see somebody

3373
02:37:15,540 --> 02:37:13,510
succeed they don't like it and they will

3374
02:37:18,269 --> 02:37:15,550
do everything to fight it and they will

3375
02:37:21,179 --> 02:37:18,279
say things to you and plan things in

3376
02:37:23,340 --> 02:37:21,189
your mind and and and and try to throw

3377
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:23,350
you off your game to get you to drive

3378
02:37:29,250 --> 02:37:27,130
out of your lane so hearing this for me

3379
02:37:33,630 --> 02:37:29,260
and hearing this for Mitch and others

3380
02:37:37,109 --> 02:37:33,640
will reinforce that in you to recognize

3381
02:37:40,429 --> 02:37:37,119
it when it happens it's not you it's

3382
02:37:42,899 --> 02:37:40,439
other things out there right and and so

3383
02:37:46,679 --> 02:37:42,909
changing your reality and getting this

3384
02:37:50,489 --> 02:37:46,689
on on track and giving you this advice

3385
02:37:53,699 --> 02:37:50,499
right now and a self-awareness of what

3386
02:37:56,460 --> 02:37:53,709
is possible and not only in changing

3387
02:37:59,790 --> 02:37:56,470
your reality but those other forces out

3388
02:38:02,699 --> 02:37:59,800
there that will start to create chaos

3389
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:02,709
and you have to recognize that when it's

3390
02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:06,399
coming in okay so now I'm going to let

3391
02:38:09,210 --> 02:38:07,930
everybody know though like this collar

3392
02:38:11,219 --> 02:38:09,220
right here I'm gonna put you on hold

3393
02:38:13,710 --> 02:38:11,229
right now don't freak out it's gonna go

3394
02:38:16,739 --> 02:38:13,720
silent okay I'm gonna bring in another

3395
02:38:20,609 --> 02:38:16,749
caller right now you stay right there

3396
02:38:24,380 --> 02:38:20,619
I'm about to put you on hold welcome to

3397
02:38:27,359 --> 02:38:24,390
the show stay right there and let's

3398
02:38:30,359 --> 02:38:27,369
let's uh let's start seeing what's on

3399
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:30,369
people's minds let's go here first hi

3400
02:38:35,189 --> 02:38:31,600
you're live on fade to black who's

3401
02:38:38,519 --> 02:38:35,199
calling hi this is lianna Hyde lianna

3402
02:38:42,139 --> 02:38:38,529
how are you I am good Jimmy I think

3403
02:38:44,639 --> 02:38:42,149
you're awesome I think you're awesome

3404
02:38:47,609 --> 02:38:44,649
thank you so much I appreciate that

3405
02:38:50,250 --> 02:38:47,619
what's on your mom well you know you

3406
02:38:54,510 --> 02:38:50,260
were talking about how people try to

3407
02:38:57,599 --> 02:38:54,520
derail you once you're successful and

3408
02:38:59,609 --> 02:38:57,609
one of the reasons why I think that I

3409
02:39:02,219 --> 02:38:59,619
don't try to go for that one thing or

3410
02:39:04,969 --> 02:39:02,229
what I love is because I'm afraid a my

3411
02:39:11,249 --> 02:39:04,979
very core I'm going to lose people you

3412
02:39:14,819 --> 02:39:11,259
know what it's inevitable right but do

3413
02:39:17,579 --> 02:39:14,829
you want to put your happiness you know

3414
02:39:19,949 --> 02:39:17,589
in jeopardy yeah you know and and the

3415
02:39:23,399 --> 02:39:19,959
other thing is this Liana and I really

3416
02:39:26,460 --> 02:39:23,409
mean this our time on this planet in our

3417
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:26,470
physical selves is very very short and

3418
02:39:32,130 --> 02:39:28,409
you know when we hear this all the time

3419
02:39:34,679 --> 02:39:32,140
but it's really really true and when you

3420
02:39:38,309 --> 02:39:34,689
get to the end of the road right and

3421
02:39:40,859 --> 02:39:38,319
you're in your 70s 75 you want to be

3422
02:39:43,889 --> 02:39:40,869
that old lady that says you know what I

3423
02:39:47,699 --> 02:39:43,899
almost did what I really loved but I

3424
02:39:49,260 --> 02:39:47,709
didn't you don't want to be saying those

3425
02:39:57,599 --> 02:39:49,270
words don't want to be the woman with a

3426
02:39:59,579 --> 02:39:57,609
billion cats I totally agree so you know

3427
02:40:01,829 --> 02:39:59,589
but you're exactly right don't worry

3428
02:40:06,899 --> 02:40:01,839
about anybody else if I was worried

3429
02:40:09,960 --> 02:40:06,909
about the the the critics or the

3430
02:40:11,550 --> 02:40:09,970
criticism or the negativity this show

3431
02:40:13,199 --> 02:40:11,560
would have never happened and you and I

3432
02:40:14,989 --> 02:40:13,209
wouldn't be talking right now and you

3433
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:14,999
know what that would have sucked right

3434
02:40:20,189 --> 02:40:17,680
yeah and I just want to say I think that

3435
02:40:23,460 --> 02:40:20,199
you're famous you're famous to me and a

3436
02:40:25,319 --> 02:40:23,470
lot of other people so you know as I get

3437
02:40:29,729 --> 02:40:25,329
older I'm like well what is self-worth

3438
02:40:31,319 --> 02:40:29,739
what is what is success and you know I

3439
02:40:33,689 --> 02:40:31,329
think that you've nailed it dude

3440
02:40:35,279 --> 02:40:33,699
you're cool no thank you so much lianna

3441
02:40:35,840 --> 02:40:35,289
behave and be well where are you calling

3442
02:40:41,010 --> 02:40:35,850
from

3443
02:40:43,319 --> 02:40:41,020
Pensacola Florida will behave and be

3444
02:40:47,069 --> 02:40:43,329
well and don't be a stranger to this

3445
02:40:50,099 --> 02:40:47,079
show I won't and love you thank you so

3446
02:40:51,869 --> 02:40:50,109
much Leanna behave thank you

3447
02:40:54,269 --> 02:40:51,879
it's a great phone call right there

3448
02:40:58,289 --> 02:40:54,279
that's exactly right and that's how we

3449
02:41:02,909 --> 02:40:58,299
play it you know do not do not worry

3450
02:41:06,670 --> 02:41:02,919
about critics don't worry about losing

3451
02:41:10,030 --> 02:41:06,680
somebody because what did I say

3452
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:10,040
what admits a right you can't be worried

3453
02:41:17,380 --> 02:41:13,850
about that don't be scared don't be

3454
02:41:19,059 --> 02:41:17,390
scared I don't care what it is that

3455
02:41:22,570 --> 02:41:19,069
makes you happy

3456
02:41:25,960 --> 02:41:22,580
only you know that only you know that so

3457
02:41:29,469 --> 02:41:25,970
whatever it is go and nail it going nail

3458
02:41:33,820 --> 02:41:29,479
it because you will your life will

3459
02:41:36,790 --> 02:41:33,830
change you will glow and not only that

3460
02:41:40,210 --> 02:41:36,800
you are going to attract other positive

3461
02:41:41,860 --> 02:41:40,220
beings right and you're just gonna look

3462
02:41:43,750 --> 02:41:41,870
around and go wow things are so much

3463
02:41:46,360 --> 02:41:43,760
different you know and and and just

3464
02:41:49,150 --> 02:41:46,370
think about that don't worry about don't

3465
02:41:50,800 --> 02:41:49,160
be scared don't worry about anything do

3466
02:41:54,460 --> 02:41:50,810
your thing

3467
02:41:56,889 --> 02:41:54,470
the reason why I am here is because I am

3468
02:42:00,340 --> 02:41:56,899
happy I get to hang out with all of you

3469
02:42:02,740 --> 02:42:00,350
I'm doing exactly what I want to do I

3470
02:42:05,860 --> 02:42:02,750
don't want to do anything else right I

3471
02:42:10,540 --> 02:42:05,870
don't play guitar as much as I should

3472
02:42:11,530 --> 02:42:10,550
right I my life is is this this is what

3473
02:42:15,429 --> 02:42:11,540
makes me happy

3474
02:42:19,740 --> 02:42:15,439
I used to build model cars right I've

3475
02:42:23,679 --> 02:42:19,750
got I I have got boxes I have got cases

3476
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:23,689
literally packed of models that I have

3477
02:42:29,110 --> 02:42:25,850
built over the years I used to sit I

3478
02:42:32,620 --> 02:42:29,120
mean I've got airbrush machines I've got

3479
02:42:36,460 --> 02:42:32,630
all of the gits tools and things and oh

3480
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:36,470
man and I built I probably built

3481
02:42:41,830 --> 02:42:40,010
hundreds hundreds and and I even got

3482
02:42:45,070 --> 02:42:41,840
Rita involve Rita would be over there

3483
02:42:47,860 --> 02:42:45,080
airbrushing and and and we built I don't

3484
02:42:50,200 --> 02:42:47,870
do that anymore now I got a lot of

3485
02:42:53,019 --> 02:42:50,210
enjoyment out of that but they are

3486
02:42:56,019 --> 02:42:53,029
sitting in inboxes now I don't even have

3487
02:42:59,889 --> 02:42:56,029
to have shelves and displays and lights

3488
02:43:03,370 --> 02:42:59,899
and and little things and scenes and oh

3489
02:43:05,320 --> 02:43:03,380
man oh so into it but I don't have time

3490
02:43:08,229 --> 02:43:05,330
for that anymore what makes me happy is

3491
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:08,239
what I'm doing right here you know and I

3492
02:43:14,979 --> 02:43:11,359
talked about this my stupid ear you know

3493
02:43:17,260 --> 02:43:14,989
I forget about my ear when I'm here

3494
02:43:19,610 --> 02:43:17,270
hanging out with you you know it's my

3495
02:43:22,791 --> 02:43:19,620
escape and I am just so

3496
02:43:23,270 --> 02:43:22,801
happy so go and find what makes you

3497
02:43:28,220 --> 02:43:23,280
happy

3498
02:43:32,001 --> 02:43:28,230
look I can only imagine and that may be

3499
02:43:33,711 --> 02:43:32,011
in the back of my mind that I didn't

3500
02:43:37,430 --> 02:43:33,721
want to tell anybody I wanted to be on

3501
02:43:40,430 --> 02:43:37,440
the radio I didn't want to hear any dude

3502
02:43:43,100 --> 02:43:40,440
you on the radio yeah right okay so I

3503
02:43:45,411 --> 02:43:43,110
kept it to myself you know it wasn't

3504
02:43:48,831 --> 02:43:45,421
something that I discussed with people

3505
02:43:52,041 --> 02:43:48,841
but one day Reid and I decided we're

3506
02:43:53,570 --> 02:43:52,051
gonna do this you know that's it and we

3507
02:43:56,001 --> 02:43:53,580
were committed and that's all you need

3508
02:43:58,610 --> 02:43:56,011
to do whatever it is do it

3509
02:44:00,230 --> 02:43:58,620
commit and make it happen let's go back

3510
02:44:04,270 --> 02:44:00,240
to the phones hi you're live on fade to

3511
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:04,280
black who's calling Jimmy this is Ray

3512
02:44:14,211 --> 02:44:10,530
also known as mr. anonymous yes ray mr.

3513
02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:14,221
anonymous how are you I'm terrific Jimmy

3514
02:44:21,310 --> 02:44:15,690
eh

3515
02:44:29,570 --> 02:44:25,911
and not to complain but I feel for what

3516
02:44:32,001 --> 02:44:29,580
you're going through I worked I work at

3517
02:44:34,011 --> 02:44:32,011
a metrology lab I was a lab manager

3518
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:34,021
until I got fired from that about a

3519
02:44:40,671 --> 02:44:34,650
month ago

3520
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:40,681
oh and that's cool it is what it is but

3521
02:44:45,551 --> 02:44:43,200
I had I had walking pneumonia for a

3522
02:44:48,801 --> 02:44:45,561
month and a half and I didn't know it I

3523
02:44:52,310 --> 02:44:48,811
just know I yeah when I went home I just

3524
02:44:54,081 --> 02:44:52,320
I felt like crap all the time I didn't

3525
02:44:56,331 --> 02:44:54,091
want to do anything you know I was just

3526
02:44:59,241 --> 02:44:56,341
tired all the time and trouble breathing

3527
02:45:01,400 --> 02:44:59,251
I thought I was and I hadn't moved I was

3528
02:45:04,581 --> 02:45:01,410
living up in Turlock and now I'm in

3529
02:45:06,621 --> 02:45:04,591
Baker still of all places probably the

3530
02:45:07,970 --> 02:45:06,631
worst air quality because you know

3531
02:45:10,400 --> 02:45:07,980
everything in the San Joaquin Valley

3532
02:45:14,381 --> 02:45:10,410
kind of focuses on Bakersfield it sits

3533
02:45:17,751 --> 02:45:14,391
there in the summertime yes it does yeah

3534
02:45:20,900 --> 02:45:17,761
anyway got a nice house here in

3535
02:45:25,180 --> 02:45:20,910
Bakersfield brought all of my 11 cats

3536
02:45:28,820 --> 02:45:25,190
down here with me they're all rescues in

3537
02:45:30,770 --> 02:45:28,830
Turlock I was staying at a house that

3538
02:45:33,229 --> 02:45:30,780
I'd rented for 20 years and one of the

3539
02:45:35,689 --> 02:45:33,239
conditions was no animals

3540
02:45:37,550 --> 02:45:35,699
and I actually got through that that

3541
02:45:39,860 --> 02:45:37,560
whole thing attentive signing off the

3542
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:39,870
house with them never finding out that I

3543
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:44,010
had as many as 15 cats about uh-huh and

3544
02:45:49,820 --> 02:45:46,880
that's it that that's a challenge I mean

3545
02:45:53,059 --> 02:45:49,830
you know what a UV light does with the

3546
02:45:56,150 --> 02:45:53,069
cat urine you can find it immediately I

3547
02:45:57,099 --> 02:45:56,160
was scrubbing walls and floors for two

3548
02:46:02,900 --> 02:45:57,109
weeks

3549
02:46:04,660 --> 02:46:02,910
Wow anyway Wow Wow but but have you

3550
02:46:08,269 --> 02:46:04,670
found your bliss

3551
02:46:11,540 --> 02:46:08,279
you know what three years ago when I

3552
02:46:15,530 --> 02:46:11,550
first started listening to you what a

3553
02:46:18,500 --> 02:46:15,540
blessing that was seriously and and and

3554
02:46:22,610 --> 02:46:18,510
I have enjoyed every time I listen to on

3555
02:46:25,910 --> 02:46:22,620
the radio I mean you you are prime time

3556
02:46:28,760 --> 02:46:25,920
in my book if if 7 o'clock rolls around

3557
02:46:31,639 --> 02:46:28,770
you know I may watch about five minutes

3558
02:46:34,510 --> 02:46:31,649
of Hannity and then Ingram comes on and

3559
02:46:37,639 --> 02:46:34,520
I say up time for Kay the black and

3560
02:46:40,400 --> 02:46:37,649
she's my cue to go that on and turn the

3561
02:46:46,269 --> 02:46:40,410
TV off and that's the best therapy that

3562
02:46:52,280 --> 02:46:46,279
I've done seriously as far as the Bliss

3563
02:46:55,580 --> 02:46:52,290
you know I have spurts I'll I'll listen

3564
02:46:58,519 --> 02:46:55,590
to music you know I'm 65 and I remember

3565
02:47:01,010 --> 02:46:58,529
Gary James and Doug sax and all those

3566
02:47:04,790 --> 02:47:01,020
guys down there and I couldn't get as

3567
02:47:08,590 --> 02:47:04,800
involved with all of that as I wanted my

3568
02:47:11,269 --> 02:47:08,600
mentor was he taught me all of the audio

3569
02:47:13,000 --> 02:47:11,279
it should I can't even discuss out here

3570
02:47:16,070 --> 02:47:13,010
with anybody else anymore they're just

3571
02:47:20,540 --> 02:47:16,080
there's no one like my mentor left and

3572
02:47:23,269 --> 02:47:20,550
when you mentioned Bob that situation

3573
02:47:24,889 --> 02:47:23,279
you talked about yeah five minutes later

3574
02:47:27,469 --> 02:47:24,899
after I was thinking about a problem

3575
02:47:32,599 --> 02:47:27,479
he'd called me on the phone right and we

3576
02:47:34,490 --> 02:47:32,609
and we were exactly that same way and I

3577
02:47:38,269 --> 02:47:34,500
had known him ever since I was dropped

3578
02:47:42,710 --> 02:47:38,279
on his doorstep in 1985 because like

3579
02:47:45,530 --> 02:47:42,720
your guest tonight I my last drop of

3580
02:47:46,969 --> 02:47:45,540
alcohol was 1985 and I think the world

3581
02:47:50,090 --> 02:47:46,979
is probably a better place

3582
02:47:51,469 --> 02:47:50,100
videos because of that and I have no

3583
02:47:54,019 --> 02:47:51,479
issues with that whatsoever

3584
02:47:56,929 --> 02:47:54,029
I was truly blessed I didn't have to

3585
02:48:02,269 --> 02:47:56,939
side slip or go back out find out how

3586
02:48:05,809 --> 02:48:02,279
bad it was the truth was was given to me

3587
02:48:09,439 --> 02:48:05,819
as a gift and I found out who I was at

3588
02:48:13,219 --> 02:48:09,449
that point and it's been a slow process

3589
02:48:16,700 --> 02:48:13,229
after that hey I got top secret jobs at

3590
02:48:19,399 --> 02:48:16,710
NASA was offered top secret jobs at

3591
02:48:23,359 --> 02:48:19,409
skunk works I didn't turn down two jobs

3592
02:48:24,859 --> 02:48:23,369
at skunk works and I'm still kind of you

3593
02:48:26,479 --> 02:48:24,869
know I'm a little upset about that

3594
02:48:28,609 --> 02:48:26,489
because I wouldn't know more about that

3595
02:48:34,340 --> 02:48:28,619
rich side of chicken if I want a job

3596
02:48:36,469 --> 02:48:34,350
sure but the best part of it you know

3597
02:48:40,309 --> 02:48:36,479
the meditation and all of that kind of

3598
02:48:43,340 --> 02:48:40,319
stuff that takes a severe devotion and I

3599
02:48:45,500 --> 02:48:43,350
really honestly am not there yet I'll

3600
02:48:48,679 --> 02:48:45,510
come home at the end of the day and I'm

3601
02:48:50,450 --> 02:48:48,689
just so tired that I just want to sit

3602
02:48:53,330 --> 02:48:50,460
down and do nothing you know feed the

3603
02:48:55,399 --> 02:48:53,340
cats get myself a bite to eat and I'll

3604
02:48:59,540 --> 02:48:55,409
just vegetate for about a half an hour

3605
02:49:04,510 --> 02:48:59,550
and unlike you I'm not really doing what

3606
02:49:12,260 --> 02:49:08,450
yeah that's and again it's one of those

3607
02:49:14,269 --> 02:49:12,270
things that only you don't have to

3608
02:49:18,620 --> 02:49:14,279
verbalize it right now with me that's

3609
02:49:20,109 --> 02:49:18,630
not my intent but only you know your

3610
02:49:24,469 --> 02:49:20,119
little secret

3611
02:49:30,219 --> 02:49:24,479
only you right and and whatever that

3612
02:49:33,139 --> 02:49:30,229
thing is go and do it well if it's legal

3613
02:49:37,160 --> 02:49:33,149
whatever I'm not saying your little

3614
02:49:41,569 --> 02:49:37,170
secret is robbing banks or whatever but

3615
02:49:45,769 --> 02:49:41,579
but you know whatever that thing is that

3616
02:49:50,479 --> 02:49:45,779
you've always wanted to do right go and

3617
02:49:52,700 --> 02:49:50,489
do it you're 65 men the time is now ray

3618
02:49:55,910 --> 02:49:52,710
I think quit what do you what are you

3619
02:49:58,969 --> 02:49:55,920
farting around for go and do it I that's

3620
02:50:00,840 --> 02:49:58,979
the thing is you know when you say okay

3621
02:50:04,319 --> 02:50:00,850
go ahead and dream dream big

3622
02:50:06,389 --> 02:50:04,329
go do your dream it's like damn I don't

3623
02:50:10,380 --> 02:50:06,399
have any dreams I've been in a workforce

3624
02:50:12,420 --> 02:50:10,390
for 42 years and I'm worked out I really

3625
02:50:15,239 --> 02:50:12,430
it's gonna take some time getting in

3626
02:50:16,290 --> 02:50:15,249
contact with Ray yeah yeah I hear you

3627
02:50:20,609 --> 02:50:16,300
there too my friend

3628
02:50:22,559 --> 02:50:20,619
I do I do but you know that's why you

3629
02:50:25,829 --> 02:50:22,569
know not only fade to black is here but

3630
02:50:27,809 --> 02:50:25,839
a guest like Mitch Horowitz will get you

3631
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:27,819
to think because that's why you made

3632
02:50:31,769 --> 02:50:30,010
this phone call you know that's the

3633
02:50:35,159 --> 02:50:31,779
truth that's the truth yes

3634
02:50:38,359 --> 02:50:35,169
so going to it go and think all right

3635
02:50:41,269 --> 02:50:38,369
ray anonymous go do your thing man and

3636
02:50:44,369 --> 02:50:41,279
I'll see you tomorrow night right here

3637
02:50:46,380 --> 02:50:44,379
Jimmy thanks very much and and say hello

3638
02:50:48,569 --> 02:50:46,390
the reader I sure will ray thank you so

3639
02:50:52,469 --> 02:50:48,579
much I always enjoy the phone calls with

3640
02:50:57,719 --> 02:50:52,479
Ray and it's the truth it's the truth if

3641
02:51:00,500 --> 02:50:57,729
if you get inspired by tonight's show

3642
02:51:04,319 --> 02:51:00,510
where you just sit back and go you know

3643
02:51:07,019 --> 02:51:04,329
churches right there's this one thing

3644
02:51:09,389 --> 02:51:07,029
you know all right I've been beating or

3645
02:51:12,929 --> 02:51:09,399
you know what all right all right

3646
02:51:16,739 --> 02:51:12,939
that that right there we all win the

3647
02:51:18,149 --> 02:51:16,749
world wins we all win so think about

3648
02:51:19,260 --> 02:51:18,159
that let's go back to the phones how

3649
02:51:22,199 --> 02:51:19,270
you're live on fade to black who's

3650
02:51:25,979 --> 02:51:22,209
calling listen Jimmy Church how are you

3651
02:51:27,929 --> 02:51:25,989
hey Scott how are you Tammy you know my

3652
02:51:32,189 --> 02:51:27,939
voice every time I call him all right no

3653
02:51:36,869 --> 02:51:32,199
I don't I I know your phone number so so

3654
02:51:39,779 --> 02:51:36,879
Scott have you found your bliss I have I

3655
02:51:47,059 --> 02:51:39,789
have my friend I really have and it was

3656
02:51:57,540 --> 02:51:52,909
Jimmy I left rock-and-roll business and

3657
02:52:03,210 --> 02:51:57,550
I took a hard left turn and decided that

3658
02:52:05,609 --> 02:52:03,220
I am going to not be an old rocker like

3659
02:52:08,939 --> 02:52:05,619
Iggy Pop and decided to make a family

3660
02:52:13,309 --> 02:52:08,949
and try to become normal in the mean and

3661
02:52:14,490 --> 02:52:13,319
when I did that it became a very very

3662
02:52:19,950 --> 02:52:14,500
very

3663
02:52:21,840 --> 02:52:19,960
heart journey and I purchased for my

3664
02:52:25,080 --> 02:52:21,850
road manager he had some hubcap and

3665
02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:25,090
wheel stores and from that point on I

3666
02:52:31,890 --> 02:52:28,450
just dedicated myself to trying to make

3667
02:52:35,120 --> 02:52:31,900
myself a smooth being that would make

3668
02:52:39,930 --> 02:52:35,130
just the right decision from there on in

3669
02:52:44,310 --> 02:52:39,940
the neck sense it does and are you happy

3670
02:52:47,040 --> 02:52:44,320
I am very happy I'm very happy and

3671
02:52:48,240 --> 02:52:47,050
sometimes I'm too happy and I have to

3672
02:52:52,140 --> 02:52:48,250
calm myself down

3673
02:52:55,020 --> 02:52:52,150
and that's the point that's that's

3674
02:52:58,350 --> 02:52:55,030
exactly the point I mean so where you

3675
02:53:00,840 --> 02:52:58,360
are today you wouldn't change a thing

3676
02:53:04,770 --> 02:53:00,850
and that's what's most important I I

3677
02:53:07,170 --> 02:53:04,780
when I said tonight my opening rant I

3678
02:53:11,490 --> 02:53:07,180
may sound like I'm complaining I am NOT

3679
02:53:15,060 --> 02:53:11,500
I am thankful and Rita and I would not

3680
02:53:18,450 --> 02:53:15,070
change a thing we would not say there's

3681
02:53:20,730 --> 02:53:18,460
there's nothing there's nothing that we

3682
02:53:23,940 --> 02:53:20,740
would do different you know not not a

3683
02:53:26,670 --> 02:53:23,950
single thing and that is what's most

3684
02:53:29,040 --> 02:53:26,680
important is that we are happy and

3685
02:53:31,440 --> 02:53:29,050
anybody that's around us you're around

3686
02:53:34,650 --> 02:53:31,450
us we've got a small circle of friends

3687
02:53:38,160 --> 02:53:34,660
that are around us they will all attest

3688
02:53:40,770 --> 02:53:38,170
to what Rita and I are about we are real

3689
02:53:43,260 --> 02:53:40,780
our feet are on the ground and we just

3690
02:53:47,100 --> 02:53:43,270
do our thing we have no outside forces

3691
02:53:49,980 --> 02:53:47,110
that are pulling on us we the reason why

3692
02:53:54,660 --> 02:53:49,990
fade to black is what it is is because

3693
02:53:56,760 --> 02:53:54,670
it's by design it's us right it's

3694
02:53:58,800 --> 02:53:56,770
nothing more than that and people want

3695
02:54:01,530 --> 02:53:58,810
to make

3696
02:54:03,390 --> 02:54:01,540
you know how do I want to say this I'm

3697
02:54:05,070 --> 02:54:03,400
gonna say this in a polite way they want

3698
02:54:07,020 --> 02:54:05,080
to make fade to black something that it

3699
02:54:10,140 --> 02:54:07,030
isn't right they want to make me

3700
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:10,150
something that I'm not they want to you

3701
02:54:14,070 --> 02:54:12,010
know by the power of suggestion like he

3702
02:54:16,260 --> 02:54:14,080
was saying Mitch said earlier you know

3703
02:54:18,750 --> 02:54:16,270
with gossip and none of it is true

3704
02:54:22,910 --> 02:54:18,760
you know only the people that are around

3705
02:54:26,070 --> 02:54:22,920
us know what is real and they laugh they

3706
02:54:28,500 --> 02:54:26,080
laugh at all the negatives I cuz it's

3707
02:54:32,700 --> 02:54:28,510
all made up you know and and that's what

3708
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:32,710
is hilarious you know and I I could

3709
02:54:39,540 --> 02:54:35,770
attest Jimmy that everybody and everyone

3710
02:54:43,530 --> 02:54:39,550
that circles around you a very decent

3711
02:54:46,620 --> 02:54:43,540
human beings and very polite and you

3712
02:54:49,680 --> 02:54:46,630
yourself are very very very polite and

3713
02:54:51,870 --> 02:54:49,690
and conduct yourself as a gentleman and

3714
02:54:54,240 --> 02:54:51,880
and I I don't know anybody would come

3715
02:54:57,360 --> 02:54:54,250
off as seeing anything differently than

3716
02:54:59,790 --> 02:54:57,370
that yeah yeah it's it's funny when I

3717
02:55:02,670 --> 02:54:59,800
you know I see some post and I

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02:55:04,740 --> 02:55:02,680
immediately just like delete block right

3719
02:55:07,530 --> 02:55:04,750
but I see the punk right on the post

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start off for some email or some tweet

3721
02:55:12,270 --> 02:55:10,030
you know you know you know Jimmy and

3722
02:55:20,310 --> 02:55:12,280
Rita are doing this or they're you know

3723
02:55:22,470 --> 02:55:20,320
there is you know hilarious and and we

3724
02:55:24,720 --> 02:55:22,480
don't subscribe to it we just don't we

3725
02:55:26,520 --> 02:55:24,730
don't pay attention yeah I've got to ask

3726
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:26,530
you something now you you have this

3727
02:55:31,770 --> 02:55:28,570
inner ear problem and I did about a year

3728
02:55:33,810 --> 02:55:31,780
ago and I gotta ask you something cuz

3729
02:55:36,780 --> 02:55:33,820
when we were talking about this when I

3730
02:55:39,690 --> 02:55:36,790
was talking about my Bigfoot experience

3731
02:55:41,640 --> 02:55:39,700
and I had mentioned something that is

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02:55:44,070 --> 02:55:41,650
little crater that inner ear that

3733
02:55:46,050 --> 02:55:44,080
vertical horizontal diagonal and the

3734
02:55:48,420 --> 02:55:46,060
crystals that float around in ears and

3735
02:55:54,540 --> 02:55:48,430
you've got a you got a really look at

3736
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:54,550
this in a deep conceptual mine I say

3737
02:56:00,300 --> 02:55:58,000
this I would say but it is your your

3738
02:56:03,270 --> 02:56:00,310
inner here is a flotation device

3739
02:56:06,030 --> 02:56:03,280
and there's crystals that are in that

3740
02:56:09,870 --> 02:56:06,040
inner ear that will tell you if you're

3741
02:56:12,050 --> 02:56:09,880
going up down diagonal and if one of

3742
02:56:14,390 --> 02:56:12,060
those crystals get dislodged

3743
02:56:16,370 --> 02:56:14,400
you're going to go different way that

3744
02:56:18,470 --> 02:56:16,380
you'll never believe and I felt like a

3745
02:56:22,130 --> 02:56:18,480
couple times that I was floating down

3746
02:56:23,540 --> 02:56:22,140
accepting stories down a building and

3747
02:56:25,370 --> 02:56:23,550
that was because they do a lot of

3748
02:56:27,230 --> 02:56:25,380
mountain bike riding so I don't know

3749
02:56:29,870 --> 02:56:27,240
what you're experiencing but you got to

3750
02:56:33,800 --> 02:56:29,880
ask yourself who designed that this is a

3751
02:56:36,380 --> 02:56:33,810
grand design well you know what's what's

3752
02:56:43,510 --> 02:56:36,390
really funny in this seven-month journey

3753
02:56:46,820 --> 02:56:43,520
of this chronic ear situation so many

3754
02:56:48,380 --> 02:56:46,830
different every single type of

3755
02:56:52,940 --> 02:56:48,390
medication and treatment has been done

3756
02:56:58,330 --> 02:56:52,950
okay everything from from cleaners and D

3757
02:57:02,630 --> 02:57:00,400
hold on

3758
02:57:07,460 --> 02:57:02,640
antibiotics and steroids and

3759
02:57:12,350 --> 02:57:07,470
antihistamines and and everything seem

3760
02:57:15,230 --> 02:57:12,360
to have helped and then it comes back

3761
02:57:16,760 --> 02:57:15,240
and it comes back stronger and it's you

3762
02:57:19,400 --> 02:57:16,770
know and I've been going on this this

3763
02:57:25,130 --> 02:57:19,410
roller coaster and it's it's it's just

3764
02:57:27,080 --> 02:57:25,140
been gnarly gnarly gnarly so that's it I

3765
02:57:29,630 --> 02:57:27,090
just want everybody's energy coming this

3766
02:57:34,550 --> 02:57:29,640
way I've exposed it now everybody knows

3767
02:57:37,580 --> 02:57:34,560
what's going on and there you go it are

3768
02:57:39,170 --> 02:57:37,590
you taking vertigo I don't want to get

3769
02:57:43,250 --> 02:57:39,180
into it you know what I don't you want

3770
02:57:45,620 --> 02:57:43,260
to talk about it let's just let's just

3771
02:57:47,750 --> 02:57:45,630
get the energy flowing this way and and

3772
02:57:49,160 --> 02:57:47,760
the power of this audience will fix

3773
02:57:56,120 --> 02:57:49,170
things and there you go

3774
02:58:01,060 --> 02:57:56,130
you know I know if I was going up you've

3775
02:58:03,320 --> 02:58:01,070
got like Scott you've got ten seconds

3776
02:58:06,470 --> 02:58:03,330
okay what scares me the most

3777
02:58:09,950 --> 02:58:06,480
what is worse if the man has lost

3778
02:58:13,970 --> 02:58:09,960
everything and where are we going from

3779
02:58:17,000 --> 02:58:13,980
here Jimmy you know and it just seems

3780
02:58:20,270 --> 02:58:17,010
like at one point we were on the right

3781
02:58:22,270 --> 02:58:20,280
track and we've just come unglued you

3782
02:58:24,421 --> 02:58:22,280
know and we've lost sight of of

3783
02:58:26,551 --> 02:58:24,431
everything that we learn and

3784
02:58:28,890 --> 02:58:26,561
taught thousands of years ago it just

3785
02:58:31,320 --> 02:58:28,900
all went out the window and with that I

3786
02:58:32,881 --> 02:58:31,330
got I got a roll credits and I got to

3787
02:58:34,770 --> 02:58:32,891
get out of here you're my last caller of

3788
02:58:38,220 --> 02:58:34,780
the night behaving be well stay dry

3789
02:58:40,020 --> 02:58:38,230
I will you got it I love you love you

3790
02:58:41,160 --> 02:58:40,030
back Scott thank you so much that's got

3791
02:58:43,770 --> 02:58:41,170
the rocker right there

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02:58:47,041 --> 02:58:43,780
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02:58:49,440 --> 02:58:47,051
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02:59:13,831 --> 02:59:11,620
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02:59:16,410 --> 02:59:13,841
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02:59:20,371 --> 02:59:18,790
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